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The Biggest Power Grab In History?

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The Biggest Power Grab In History?

So Theresa May vows to block another Scottish independence referendum until after the brexit process has played out. It's in her manifesto and seeing as Labour are tumbleweed it looks like May is going to make a power grab for Scottish farming and fishing. C'mon why else would she want to delay #indyref2?

 

Agriculture, fisheries and environment policies were all devolved to Scotland under the 1998 act that created the Scottish parliament, but in practice they have been controlled by Brussels ever since Britain in 1973 joined the European Economic Community, the predecessor to the EU.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/35376b8e-fe9e-11e6-96f8-3700c5664d30

 

 

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@Steve - Can you extract and cite FT as the article source please as it requires a subscription to read it.

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Agriculture, fisheries and environment policies were all devolved to Scotland under the 1998 act that created the Scottish parliament, but in practice they have been controlled by Brussels ever since Britain in 1973 joined the European Economic Community, the predecessor to the EU. Speaking in the House of Commons on Wednesday, Mrs May waved aside demands from the Scottish National party for specifics on her plans for farming and fishing after the UK leaves the EU, but left the door open for powers to be taken back by Westminster.

 

Mrs May said ministers were in talks with the devolved administrations over which powers would be returned from Brussels and which would remain with the central UK government.

She added: “The overriding aim for everything that we do when we make those decisions is to ensure that we do not damage the important single market of the United Kingdom.” Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish first minister, said earlier this week that it would be “utterly unacceptable” for Westminster to reclaim oversight of farming and fishing policy, adding any such move would “fundamentally undermine the basis of the existing devolution settlement”.

 

Ms Sturgeon’s political opponents dismissed her comments, with Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale calling them “ridiculous scaremongering”. Akash Paun of the Institute for Government think-tank pointed out that Westminster had already clearly devolved control over agriculture, fisheries and the environment to regional governments, and would be unlikely to reclaim powers without their approval. “If the UK government were to try and replace EU regulatory frameworks with UK-wide frameworks,

they would need the agreement of the devolved governments,” he said. “Anything else would be a breach of the existing conventions.” But legal experts say Mrs May would probably not face any significant practical barrier to reclaiming control of policymaking.

 

The UK Supreme Court ruled last month that the so-called Sewel Convention, under which Westminster does not normally legislate on devolved matters, is not legally enforceable. However, forcing a return of powers to the UK government could create political problems for Mrs May, including reigniting support for independence in Scotland amid growing expectations that Ms Sturgeon will call a second referendum. It could also fuel criticisms from farmers and fishermen that their interests will be sacrificed in the pursuit of trade deals once Britain leaves the EU. But likewise allowing Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales to set policy after the UK leaves the EU would create new complexity within the UK and threaten to hamper the government’s efforts to seal new overseas trade deals.

Regional governments would need funding to replace Common Agricultural Policy subsidies, and would be likely to press for a new financial settlement from the UK Treasury, while Mrs May’s government might find it difficult to sign such trade deals with the US, Australia and New Zealand if the devolved administrations were pursuing radically different agriculture policies. Richard Whitman of the University of Kent said there was an urgent need for clarification. “In Scotland and Wales, in particular, there is a feeling that London is not thinking hard enough about the vast implications that Brexit will have on the devolution settlements,” he said. “If the politicians leave this too late, they will find themselves tied in knots.”

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This article was posted on the 2nd of March, but it will be some considerable time before we actually find out what her post-Brexit policies are for Farming and Fishing, worth keeping an eye out for.

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@Steve

Guess I must be missing something here.

Currently Brussels has control and after Britexit the UK would have control, why is that not better.

I have no idea of the situation in Scotland but I do know ports like Fleetwood have virtually been destroyed as a result of anyone in the EU being allowed to fish in our waters.

I accept it is possible that some deal could be made with the EU to have limited access to fishing in our costal waters as part of a overall trade deal but at least we would have some control over it.

Whilst a number of other political parties would be happy to give Scotland another vote on independence there is no chance of TM doing so as there is nothing to gain and much to lose from a political point of view.

If the SNP lose seats or there is much of a drop in the total number of people voting for them this will weaken NS's hand even more.

As I say perhaps I have missed something regarding this topic, no doubt someone can clarify the position

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@gleneagles when the power comes back is the issue, who gets the power? currently it's Scotland's power.

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@Steve

Devolved to Scotland in 1998 but in practice controlled by Brussels since 1973.

Once we leave the EU it will remain devolved to Scotland but Controlled by the UK.

I am not sure I see the difference, why is it ok for Brussels to have control rather than the UK. ?

Is it not more like Scotland seeing the chance to gain control as a result of us leaving the EU ?

Long term there may be a better chance of Scotland getting more control of a number of things including this, had we stayed in the EU Scotland would never have been given the chance to control it.

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Scotland may not be given control over key policy areas such as fishing and agriculture once the UK leaves the EU to avoid undermining the “coherence and integrity”of the Union, Theresa May has said. Just like this snap election what is it if not a power grab? 

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/theresa-may-much-devolution-fatally-weaken-union/