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Tesco hoarding enough land for 15,000 houses: (right or wrong)

TORPC
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Tesco hoarding enough land for 15,000 houses: (right or wrong)

[quote= http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2671606/Tesco-hoarding-land-15-000-houses-Supermarket-said-310-sites-build-on.html]Tesco is hoarding enough undeveloped land to build 15,000 new homes.
The supermarket chain reportedly owns 310 sites which it has not built on – a total area of 1,100 acres.
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good, at least they have a plan in place to expand there business to cope with the ever increasing numbers of houses so at the very least there will be somewhere to get your shopping in the future as the country continues eating up all its arable lands ......
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Most of our supermarket are single floor, I can never understand why, when councils agree planning consent for a supermarket they don't bring up the issue of the second floor for apartments.......
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fire safety and building regulations actually prevent residential areas above large open spaces like shop floors or warehouses .....
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There are flats above our local Waitrose that was built last year ..
I suspect it's more the supermarkets fight it because it would interfere with their business and unfortunately, big business almost invariably gets it's way.
As for holding land for 15,000 houses: that's really a drop in the ocean compared with our building current shortfall of around 100,000 dwelling PER YEAR.
Much as I would like to blame Tescos, the real issues are the totally outdated green belt laws and, of course, NIMBY-ism.
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@nano
Have you a link to a source to the building / fire regs ?Huh
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if you do away with greenbelt laws you remove arable land alter water tables and end up with a starving nation dependant on imports, but full of ever increasing numbers of people and ever decreasing space for all of them.
retaining those laws could just be the thing that saves the country from ecological and economic disaster in the coming years, of course new dwellings are required but there are so many other ways to provide them (like blocks of flats housing dozens of families where currently only a handful are accommodated in nice squat houses)  if any laws need revising its the ones that promote house building instead of multi story apartment blocks, which would be inarguably a better use of space!

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each area has its own regulations
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@nano
I understand that, however I am interested, in your source(s), to see what differences there are, or if there is anything new that I have not came across
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Why is it that when asked you never produce links to your so-called source(s) ?Huh
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if you do away with greenbelt laws you remove arable land

You MAY remove SOME arable land - but not necessarily.
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alter water tables

.. by moving the strain from some water tables that are over-used to others that are under used .. arguably, a good thing
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and end up with a starving nation dependant on imports, but full of ever increasing numbers of people and ever decreasing space for all of them

We have been importing the majority (i.e. over 50%) of our food for a couple centuries now: it's kinda to late to be worrying about that.
As for ever decreasing space for people: that's what we have now and it's almost entirely artificial.
There is a great myth that UK is disappearing under concrete: in fact only 12.7% of the land is built on - and that includes space that's actually gardens, parks etc.
The UK is one of the least built up countries in the europe and as a direct consequence, we have the worst, smallest and most expensive housing in europe - possibly in the western world.
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retaining those laws could just be the thing that saves the country from ecological and economic disaster in the coming year

Except it doesn't.  A tiny increase - say 1% or 2% - in the proportion of land used for building would solve the problem for decades.
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of course new dwellings are required but there are so many other ways to provide them (like blocks of flats housing dozens of families where currently only a handful are accommodated in nice squat houses)  if any laws need revising its the ones that promote house building instead of multi story apartment blocks, which would be inarguably a better use of space!

True, except that, as shown above, the problem is simply NOT lack of space
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because its difficult to produce links to books or TV programs or indeed remember where something was gleaned from in the past that isn't still in the browser history......
but its in the commercial buildings section of building fire regulations for new builds (or at least it was before the revisions in 2011/12) something to do with fire control in open spaces and structural integrity which is why there all built as single story structures.....
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Tesco value housing...'helping you to spend less'!!
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This rather shows that it isn't an insuperable problem http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/sep/01/supermarkets-live-over-the-shop
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Bustling about in hard hats and fluorescent jackets, they are putting the finishing touches to a 60,000 sq ft Tesco store and 250 apartments that sit above, behind and beside it. Living above the shop is very much back in fashion as supermarkets lead the development of thousands of homes in their latest tactic to secure new sites. As a consequence, the race for market share among the UK's largest retailers is inadvertently helping London chip away at a housing shortfall that equates to at least 32,000 new homes per year.
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That's over double of the figure reported in the original article Smiley
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It's a BOGOF
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I think if you look at the structure and construction of modern supermarkets you'd find that to build a supermarket which has the strength in its structure to support a large concrete slab above the shopping area plus fireproofing / soundproofing etc to support accommodation above,  it would cost a lot more than you'd first think.
We've recently built a new building in London on three floors and the cost went from the budgeted £500k to nearly a million.  Shocked