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So you bought a diesel car...

Tsk tsk, those naughty drivers who bowed to government pressure to buy an efficient car. According to a BBC report you might have to pay a "congestion charge" for your nasty polluting vehicle. I blame the insurers who force home owners to cut down pollution absorbing London Plane trees to avoid payout on building subsidence claims. Certainly we couldn't possible point to our "growing" population causing an increase in pollution?
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I think the government encouraging diesel efficiency was a good thing based on the overall effect on pollution.
Now things seem to be changing to concentrate more on individual nit picking aspects of pollution which I don't think is so good.
It's been a long time since I've been to London. Have all those beautiful London Plane lined roads really gone?
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My problem with the pollution/congestion charge is that it takes no account of the actual pollution produced by a vehicle, those taxes just penalise the potential of the vehicle.
When I lived in London we had a  healthy 100 year old London Plane in the garden. Sadly the insurance companies of our neighbours claimed this tree was the sole cause of the houses sinking into the ground (ignoring other nearby trees) so it had to go. I did a fair amount of research at the time and found each mature London Plane tree annually removes about 20-30 lbs of nitrogen dioxide from the air. I can't find the reference to that so you'll have to rely on my Nano-recollection powers.
You still find the London Plane trees around, but they do get cut down if the council receives a complaint.
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[quote=http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor-assembly/mayor/london-resilience/london-prepared-blog/2013/05/rooted-in-resilience]Trees reduce pollution – as well as their role in converting carbon dioxide to oxygen (which is important in reducing the rate of climate change), tress also help remove sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxide, which are major components of acid rain. Have you noticed those trees with the patchy bark? The London Plane tree is type of sycamore which was extensively planted in Victorian London. When the pores of the tree trunk get clogged with pollutants, the tree sheds its bark, escorting the pollutants to the sewer system.
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Studies have shown that in one urban park, tree cover removed 48 pounds of particulates, 9 pounds of nitrogen dioxide, 6 pounds of sulfur dioxide, 0.5 pounds of carbon monoxide and 100 pounds of carbon – daily. It has also been noted that one sugar maple along a roadway removes 60mg cadmium, 140mg chromium, 820mg nickel and 5,200mg lead from the environment in one growing season.
from here: http://urbanforestrynetwork.org/benefits/air%20quality.htm  so it's 9lbs of NO2

48 lbs of particulates is about the amount produced by 50000 miles in a modern diesel car.
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Re: So you bought a diesel car...

Doesn't bother me, I live up north... Cool
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ClientEarth’s legal case refers to 16 zones where NO2 limits are being breached. West Midlands, Greater Manchester, West Yorkshire, Teesside, The Potteries, Kingston Upon Hull, Southampton, Glasgow, Eastern England, South East England, East Midlands, North West & Merseyside, Yorkshire & Humberside, West Midlands, North East England and Greater London.

Depending on your location / point-of-view between 7 and 10 of those areas ARE 'up north'  Wink
I'm going to assume that the shrubs and small trees in my garden adequately offset the NO2 from my small, economical Diesel - I just hope that the VED stays as band 'A' in light of this news.
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I think the government encouraging diesel efficiency was a good thing based on the overall effect on pollution.

And this is where the confusion lies.
I've heard countless people saying recently that diesel was supposed to be healthier and thats why they switched to it etc.
No.. it was supposed to be better for the environment purely based on the higher mileages you could get out of it but nothing was ever mentioned about the toxins the stuff puts into the air that is dangerous to humans and animals.
Big difference between the two points there.
One other thing.. all these emissions taxes are useless and simply designed to cover the electric vehicles that have no emissions / £0 tax (in my view anyway). If they really wanted to cut pollution they'd bring in new laws* against polluting vehicles and force the hand of the manufacturers and the public. Do they? No. British Rail banned steam from it's own railway lines decades ago so if they could do that why can't the government take more decisive action?
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Depending on your location / point-of-view between 7 and 10 of those areas ARE 'up north'  Wink

Oh well, good thing I don't drive then, I'm a good little green boy, I take the bus, as infuriatingly slow and often late as it is... Grin
That said, I love the sound of diesel engines, particularly big ones (DMU trains, large buses, etc.), but mostly the traditional squirt & squeeze pre-common rail diesels, but, even they're frowned upon these days, but, it's one of those things where it's more economical and ecological to keep them going than it is to smash it up and turn it into some chinese grotbox that lasts a week before blowing a gasket... Roll eyes
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British Rail banned steam from it's own railway lines decades ago so if they could do that why can't the government take more decisive action?

revenue. same reason why tobacco isn't out and out banned.
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If you tow a diesel is the sensible choice. With petrol you end up with a far bigger engine size just to get the grunt which is just wasting fuel when you are not towing.
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nothing was ever mentioned about the toxins the stuff puts into the air that is dangerous to humans and animals. 

Nobody ever seems to mention the phenomenally dangerous chemical called benzene which is present in all petrol. It's one of the most carcinogenic chemicals known. The problem from diesels arises mainly from older heavy vehicle engines, not car engines, and the danger lies in NOx and particulates which can be removed by retrofitted equipment. In fact the modern diesel which complies with Euro 5 or 6 spec emits fewer toxins that a modern petrol engine, no carbon monoxide because diesels run on excess air (hence it's impossible to kill yourself with a hosepipe through the car window), and absolutely no benzene because it ain't got any in it. Innit!
What I would really like to know is why, if we are all being subjected to ever more dangerous sources of pollution, are we being asked to work longer to pay for a pension because we are all apparently living longer. Something just don't stack up!
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What I would really like to know is why, if we are all being subjected to ever more dangerous sources of pollution, are we being asked to work longer to pay for a pension because we are all apparently living longer. Something just don't stack up!

And why is there suddenly a rush to slate diesel and push people back towards petrol? Nothing to do with increased tax revenue from the lower MPG people will get from petrol is it?  Roll eyes
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Nobody ever seems to mention the phenomenally dangerous chemical called benzene which is present in all petrol.

It's also present in tobacco smoke too, it's actually more addictive than nicotine, in petrol it gives it that slightly sweet smell, in tobacco smoke, well, I assume the same but not being a smoker I wouldn't know... Shocked
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but not being a smoker I wouldn't know

First you admit that you don't drive, now you're a non-smoker too, I hope you drink or I'll have to report you for tax evasion.    Tongue
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