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Smartcard Benefit

I see the government is to trial a scheme to pay benefits via smartcard.
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If it means benefits end up being spent for their legitimate purpose I think it is a good idea.
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Under the plan announced today, a pre-paid card payment system for ‘vulnerable claimants’ will be monitored in a trial in North Tyneside.
The cards are already in use, but ministers want to see how they could be restricted so they cannot be used in certain places like off-licences or casinos.

I think for one
This is a step ion the right direction, in (theory @least)
It will all boil down on
1. How it is managed
2. How they Restrict the spending
I am guessing that, they will find ways to get the cash, to fuel their habbit(s)
eg: Buy goods with the restricted payment card, then sell goods for cash, use cash to fuel their habbit(s)
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If the card can only be used to purchase basic requirements they could limit the use of the cards to a range of stores, such as the big 5 and do random checks on receipts at those stores. There will always be ways round schemes like this but that shouldn't stop the government from trying.
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Many years ago when I was out of work and managed to find a job.
I needed a pair of work boots and went to the DHSS to see if they would help with the cost.
They gave me a voucher to acquire some boots from Millets who would only provide the boots and not the cash equivalent.
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If the card can only be used to purchase basic requirements they could limit the use of the cards to a range of stores, such as the big 5 and do random checks on receipts at those stores. There will always be ways round schemes like this but that shouldn't stop the government from trying.

@least the government are trying,
However for the hardened addicts etc, they will no doubt find ways around it
Or the level of crime may potentially go up in those areas (hope not though)
It's like the past 12months or so the rate of burglaries have gone up around here & the surrounding areas, since they posed the sanctions on the less fortunate
As it was discussed before, if it wern't for Me, SWMBO & a few neighbours helping a neighbour out, goodness knows what he would / could of done out of desperation to survive
Transfer the no cash scenario to addicts & desperation will undoubtedly strike & are likely cause them to do things that they might not otherwise would of done
As the old saying is & as an ex smoker of 30+ years I can safely say
"One can not be forced into giving up, as they have to be willing & prepared to give up for themselves & not for others"
It will be interesting to see the truthful / factual statistics of those that this could help & then how many it has / will actually help
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So they've essentially reinvented food stamps / milk tokens?
Funny thing is, I remember McDonalds accepting those in the past.
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pretty much and that scheme collapsed because they failed to manage it and people abused them, if they intend to manage the system properly it will be manpower intensive and require more not less staff, effectively increasing the welfare bill instead of reducing it or fixing the main deficit problem they are apparently trying to fix ....
if misspending the monies is a problem just take the kids away and give the "problem families" there due allocation of JSA to misuse as they see fit, once any kids are taken care of properly there wont be any need to monitor how some addict spends there weekly cash not to mention the reduction in the welfare bill of no longer needing to pay such large amounts to be squandered whilst neglecting offspring !
anyone who actually cares about their kids would then clean up pretty sharpish, those that don't well the kids are better off away from them so its a win win either way
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Are they planning on rolling this out to all unemployed or just the problem cases (if successful).
Seems to disadvantage the already disadvantaged, and cost them money they dont have, if you ask me.
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just the ones that are problem families, like addicts who are failing ot buy enough food and clothing for their kids ....
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The trial is being run in selected areas ans IDS said all claimants will be included.
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At least it is being tried, makes a change from all the things we hear are going to be done but never are.
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really?
he specifically used the words vulnerable claimants when I watched the speech, even broke down what he was meaning by that, as people with children who have an addiction.....
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Re: Smartcard Benefit

Will the cards be restricted to only the claimant being able to use them? Or could they be sold on for, probably, a lot less than face value so that they can still get their ciggies and booze?

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Re: Smartcard Benefit

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At least it is being tried, makes a change from all the things we hear are going to be done but never are.

I can't remember the areas of the trial but I think one was around Newcastle.
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Will the cards be restricted to only the claimant being able to use them? Or could they be sold on for, probably, a lot less than face value so that they can still get their ciggies and booze?

I assume that could be difficult unless they have photos on them. I guess all will be revealed in due course Wink
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the initial trial has been underway in Tyneside for a few months and there now playing with where the cards can be used, to stop people spending the cash in the pub/off-licence/ bookies etc.
from what the papers report they are a specially chipped debit card with a photo printed directly onto the plastic, and its a copycat of a scheme being used successfully in places like India and Pakistan, but given how dodgy reporting of facts are recently who knows
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