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Scottish Independence dead in the water

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Scottish Independence dead in the water

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-22934024
Didnt Alex Salmond see this one coming? Grin
Orkney,Shetland and the Western Isles don't want to be ruled by Edinburgh any more than London Roll eyes
So who owns the oil Salmond has based his economic plans on?
Is Shetland part of Scotland. Its nearer to Norway!?  Wink
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Re: Scottish Independence dead in the water

It was interesting the trouble Farage had in Scotland simply by saying that if Scotland is so all out for its independence why does it still want to be in the EU?
Salmond just wants power like any politician. So called independence is just his push for more.
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Re: Scottish Independence dead in the water

BBC are a bit slow with the story, it was being discussed in late 2011 at a board meeting at Statoil.
http://www.statoil.com/en/about/pages/default.aspx
I can't actually find the minutes of the board meeting, but it is in there somewhere
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It's Scotland's oil

Sorry Steve, I disagree. It will become Shetland's oil. Shetland are far more than likely to annex themselves to Norway as Norway have a proven track record of managing, marketing and conserving oil, Gas reserves and revenue. Which the UK hasn't.
The oil companies would be on the side of the Norwegians, the tax breaks and investment incentives are far more generous.
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Re: Scottish Independence dead in the water

@ Peter Loftus
Can`t see anything "definite" about Scotland`s independence being "dead in the water"..... especially in the light of the last three paragraphs of your linky...
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Re: Scottish Independence dead in the water

Surely it is up to US Scots to decide not the politicians or anyone else.
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Re: Scottish Independence dead in the water

What about the rest of the UK having their say as well?  Wink
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Re: Scottish Independence dead in the water

Hear, hear!
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Re: Scottish Independence dead in the water

What you mean about Welsh or Irish independence ?  Wink
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Re: Scottish Independence dead in the water

Anything that affects them, which obviously includes Mr Salmond's aspirations too.  Wink
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Surely it is up to US Scots to decide not the politicians or anyone else.

aye  Wink
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Re: Scottish Independence dead in the water

I don't think Scottish Independence has been carefully thought out.  It's just something in Salmon's mind.  He talks about joining the EU but will the EU want Scotland as a member and if they did Scotland would be forced to join as a full member without any of the concessions given to the UK at present.
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It's just something in Salmon's mind.

Of course, and who could blame him, he wants to have his cake and eat it "the best of both worlds".
That includes chucking out UK military bases but keeping the Pound Sterling. And continuing any EU opt-outs the UK has that suit him.
Now, all that sort of stuff needs to be negotiated, and surely the rest of the UK needs to be consulted on whether we actually want to allow Scotland to have a "special relationship" other than that resulting from them joining the EU as standard members (assuming the rest of the UK stays in). And the whole EU itself will obviously have a view as well.
No doubt those born in Scotland but currently resident elsewhere in the UK will have to obtain Scottish passports and will probably no longer be allowed to vote outside Scotland. Nor within it if not resident there.
As for eligibility for pensions, benefits etc. that could become a nightmare.
And don't forget Schengen (UK & Ireland alone have opt-outs) - would Scotland have to join, if so we'd need serious border security between us.  Shocked
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If they joined the EU Schengan would be compulsory.  Also I don't think there would be a choice between the pound and euro.  They would have to take the euro.
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Of course, and who could blame him, he wants to have his cake and eat it "the best of both worlds".

Well you've seen the size of him haven't you? - He clearly likes to look after his own interests  Grin
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Re: Scottish Independence dead in the water

Maybe there should be a new saying like "Don't trust an MP who goes to seed".
But then that would imply you could trust the rest.