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Remembrance Day

See there is a lot of trouble over remembrance day this year its reported today.
Anyone working in Buckingham Palace cant wear a poppy or they will be sacked as it may offend someone.
Pensioners selling poppies have been thrown out of a shopping center 
Many stores have banned them.
The millions who have died and given there lives so we can live a free life must be turning in there graves.
People forget that they gave their lives for us and we wouldnt be here today in a lot of cases had these brave men and women hadnt fought for freedom. There must be a lot of people today who have no comprehension of what these people went through. I must admit at 61 years old I didnt see much of the war but I can appreciate the sacrifice they made. I did serve in the Civil Defense for a few years (anyone remember that) until it was disbanded which was a shame as we had lots of rescue skills that were used in peace time like Abbervan.
We will have the parade tomorrow and like every other year there will be some YOB messing about on his bike or other disrespectful things to spoil it that is if it doesnt offend anyone us remembering our heroes.
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Well said, Sir. We must never forget, if we wish to retain any semblance of a civilised society.
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If it offends anyone they are at liberty to leave these shores anytime they like.
I'm 26 and it makes me very disappointed when I hear what I shall politely call plebs of my age saying that they see no point in it.
As for those that might be offended (read religious nuts that have arrived to take advantage of the welfare state) let me remind them that if it were not for the brave deeds of those who fought there would not be a country they could come and milk.
Remembrance Day, Christmas lights, I mean what next, are they going to demand the destruction of the cenotaph?
Maybe we should take to the streets to protest against this pandering to people.
This is Britain, if you don't like it, then feel free to go but don't tell us what we should and should not do.
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Lest we forget
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I'd like to be associated with all the remarks in the posts up to this point, particularly those of techguy, its good to see a younger person ready to put into words what many of us old'ns know to be right, keep it up techguy, spread the word. 
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its reported today.

Hmmm, reported where I wonder?  Undecided
Many such "reports" don't bear up to scrutiny and are "invented" by journalist eager to sell "papers".
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Fully with TechGuy
Young men are still dying in wars everyday, either from other nations or Britain.
RIP
This PC brigade need to be told - I am utterly amazed that the Queen has allowed thin in Buck House - and I'm normally a Royalist.
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I have to admit that I do not wear a red poppy for Remembrance Day.
My father was in Royal Engineers in 1st War.  He volunteered as soon as his apprenticeship at Westinghouse Electric was finished.  When he could not get a job after the war the British Legion would not help him as he had not been in the Army or Navy.  He was a strong Socialist and could not stand the politicians who he saw caused a lot of deaths to occur by what they planned -especially as he lost some friends at Gallipoli.  In the second war he worked nights at Metrovicks doing Air Raid Watch on the roof of factory in Trafford Park.  He again blamed the politicians for events.  When I was a child [born after war]  he always talked about the good time such as the Christmas Truce, friends, he had in 1st War but never mentioned anything bad.  His best story was about how Royal Engineers went into Germany first at the Armistice and the ladies of the town welcomed them and were very grateful to see them!!  I often wonder if I have distant relatives there!
His cousin was in Army and was injured in mid 1918 so was sent to Hospital in England to recover.  He was due to be discharged just before the Armistice when he caught flu and died 2 days before the Armistice.  Even though he did not die of his wounds he is classed as War Dead and his name is on the Cenotaph/War Memorial.  His grave is supposed to be maintained by the Army.
So I do remember by family connections.  However, as a local preacher I always block this Sunday for preaching as I am aware that I may say something that offends some people - the one time I did take a service on Remembrance Sunday I was accused of being political because of some of the things I said.
I do believe we should all remember everyone who was involved in the Wars and in Wars taking place now - not just those in Armed Forces.  But I also believe that we should pray for peace and an end to conflict.
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II do believe we should all remember everyone who was involved in the Wars and in Wars taking place now - not just those in Armed Forces.  But I also believe that we should pray for peace and an end to conflict.

Of course you are right Josie. as a not particularly religious man I agree of course peace should be every bodies priority. However, what has happened has happened, and we can do nothing to change that, I firmly believe we should remember those who fought for our freedom, thats all most of us can do to try and thank them.
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I watched much of the ceremony today and many groups represented were not active overseas or carried arms. I feel they had equal status with the armed forces today.
I do believe that conflict is a natural instinct of most if not all animals often as territorial boundaries are breached be they geographical or religious.
I do however feel that events like today's Cenotaph service are essential for keeping alive the memories of the horror of war in the hope that more people in positions of power will think twice before starting one. 
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If we don't remember, we're doomed to make the same mistakes again.  Here in Chelmsford, the parade was very well attended as usual, and the veterans got their usual, and well earned, round of applause as they marched past the cenotaph.  Some of those veterans are younger than me, and I'm 48.
On a slightly sadder note, I'm told that there was a protest by some politicians in Northern Ireland over the welcome home parade for the Royal Irish Rangers, as they returned from Afghanistan, on the grounds that someone may be offended by the parade. - as I said  Cry
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It isn't just Remembrance Day when I remember the fallen. I regularly walk with the Ramblers' Association in Dorset, Wiltshire and West Hampshire and we frequently have the lunch stop in a village churchyard. I always have a look around the church and usually there is a list of the fallen in the two World Wars (sometimes even those who took part in the First World War and survived).
The appalling thing is not only the number from a small village who died in the First World War but how often a family lost two or three sons. I sometimes feel that we don't appreciate the sacrifice that was made by the ordinary families and the impact on life in the country.
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A while back my wife and I were "out and about" in a small market town with some friends (some of continental origin) and some EC visitors.
We passed the town war memorial and some of them asked what it was, so we explained.
The Germans were rather sheepish and said they don't do that (I'm not so sure).  Undecided
The Danes were even more quiet and just said they weren't in the war (which I think is far from accurate).  Lips are sealed
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I have to admit that I do not wear a red poppy for Remembrance Day..................
I do believe we should all remember everyone who was involved in the Wars and in Wars taking place now - not just those in Armed Forces.  But I also believe that we should pray for peace and an end to conflict.

I respect your opinion. The servicemen who died did so to preserve our individual freedoms, not least of speech. And they, as well as you, will have prayed for an end to conflict. Which was not of their making.
I was a serviceman for 27 years, and every week I prayed for peace and an end to conflict.
So I find it difficult to understand why you can't find a place in your heart to recognise their sacrifice along with all the other innocents who died..
Respectfully, and no need to reply.
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Heloman - you said no need to reply but  - I do respect the sacrifice that so many have made.  I support other organisations that assist those injured/killed/damaged by war and conflict - other than the British Legion - that is why I do not wear a red poppy [I would wear a whte poppy that stands for peace and reconciliation but know from experience that some people find that more offensive than not wearing a red one].  I stand for the 2 minutes silence each Remembrance Sunday in respect and gratitude for the acts of many brave men and women.