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Raise Taxes for the NHS

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Raise Taxes for the NHS

The government has put forward the idea that tax will have to be raised for the NHS, exact details to be announced later in the year......but.....

The idea has also been put forward that those over 40 years of age should pay additional tax to cover the extra cost that the elderly place on a range of social services.

Now I am not sure what your current income is but if these two ideas are implemented then it's likely what you currently get will nosedive when you consider what you lose if increases in your income are less than current inflation and these two taxes are added.

Many people currently just managing to balance their income with essential outgoing expenses are going to be in serious trouble.

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@gleneagles wrote:

Many people currently just managing to balance their income with essential outgoing expenses are going to be in serious trouble.


Yes, and how are all those charities going to survive,... Water aid   £2.00 a month,... Adopt a leopard, donkey, elephant, tetse fly etc   Shocked

Not forgetting, those other outgoings for your mobile phone, at only £39.99 a month for FREE texts and data... of course, SKY will also go bust, as won`t be able to pay for their minimum package at £25 per month including FREE broadband ... Virgin will survive though because they use FIBRE ! ! ! ..Cheesy

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Actually, and I fully recognize that by the standards of many our retirement income is good, some small payment of NI out of our pensions does not seem that unfair, given my cost to the NHS. Of course the starting income would need be set to protect the less affluent pensioner/ earner, and the cut off point on upper earnings for full contributions raised.

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@gleneagles those who currently 'just manage' will not be affected by an increase in income tax as they are unlikely to be paying tax.

National insurance is also payable only above earnings of £162 per week so again no problem for those on low incomes.

 

If the NHS is to be viable going forward there is need to look at long term financial support. There is major investment needed in health, mental health and care for the elderly. Where else can this investment come from?

 

I wouldn't mind contributing more but feel the proceeds should be ring-fenced so that it definitely finds its way to health.

 

 

 

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Wasn't there a report not that long ago about the NHS paying over the odds for drugs when given their position the opposite should be true.

Little point throwing more money at the NHS if they can't or won't help themselves and sort out basic problems.

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NHS paying over the odds? In the bank where I worked it was noted that sometimes things were cheaper from local sources. However, security of supply should be a significant factor. Also I think pulling an item of of a bag and saying, "it's dearer than at X" may not be the whole truth, if the deal is beneficial over all esp for items the institution has heavy need.

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It's never been a question of cheaper sources.

Just the old negotiating power of buying in bulk which the NHS has been neglecting to use to our benefit.

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Well I accept additional money has to be found to fund the NHS but the question is how much extra should the taxpayers be expeted to contribute ? Millions of pounds a year are lost in the NHS as a result of fraud, overcharging of drugs, failure to collect money from overseas visitors requiring treatment, PFI cost.... the list goes on and on. As has already been mentioned the NHS needs to look at how it can manage it's finances better and at the same time cease offering services that are not essential.

How much does it spend on homepathy for instance ?

No one has mentioned the possibility that those age 40 or over may have to pay more tax, there is a limit including political considerations to charging those who get the most even higher taxes so the level at which these new taxes are paid may need to be much lower than some of the above posts indicate.

Even worse for those who @shutter mentions with Sky tv, etc as all those things are costing more.....how anyone can manage without Sky tv (whatever Skytv is) I have no idea but many are going to be in for a hard time.

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Maybe Hamley's should be working on a new game: Garment, Scissors, Cloth.FunnyRoll eyes

TBPVH, I see a bad future ahead for my offspring and the more so  for their children. I'm praying to be wrong. 

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Those over forty paying more because they use it more is going down a very rocky road.

If we are going that way where do I put in my claim to get my money back for all those decades, when I was younger, that I never used the NHS?

The young generally support the old through the NHS. I did as did we all. I can see no reason for that to change. It's just muddled thinking by those who never use the NHS at any time.

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@billnotben

There are 2 main reasons why it needs to change, the first reason is the advances in medical care with a whole range of expensive conditions being treated which was not the case many years ago.

The second main reason is population trends, there is a ever increasing number of elderly people who require medical & social care and less young working people who can contribute to the NI bill, as that gap continues to increase the young will pay more whilst services will deteriorate.

@Luzern

It will get worse for the young but it can never get as bad as it did for the young in the first and second world war who gave their lives for the country.

There is also greater opportunity in education these days with the option to work abroad if conditions here are that bad in the future, these are things that were denied to many of the current older generation unless they had money.

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Anyone thought of looking at how other countries deliver health care?  Of course not, our government think they know best and have nothing to learn from foreigners.  My brother lived in Belgium with his family for a few years and a GP appointment was always available on the day.  If someone needed an appointment with a specialist they had to wait up to three days, and the Belgians were complaining about the long wait!  I don't know what funding model they use, but if they can do it, why can't we?  And before you say it, I know it's a much smaller country, although - as has already been pointed out - we have the advantage of driving harder bargains with suppliers due to our size.

I wonder how much of the difficulties facing the NHS is due to PFI (and we all know who brought that in).

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A report in one of the papers today, suggests that the 8 year "hold" on raising tax on fuel, will be finished, and a new  tax raised on fuel at the pumps, will be put to the NHS .... Yeah... Alright... and who do you think you`re kidding  ? ? 

 

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@Jonpe  a google query  " Belgian Health Care System"   brought up...

 

The Belgium healthcare system is divided into state and private sectors, with fees payable in both, funded by a combination of Belgian social security contributions and health insurance funds. With mandatory health insurance, patients are free to choose their own medical professionals and places of treatment.

 

as the first item on the results page.

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@shutter wrote:

A report in one of the papers today, suggests that the 8 year "hold" on raising tax on fuel, will be finished, and a new  tax raised on fuel at the pumps, will be put to the NHS .... Yeah... Alright... and who do you think you`re kidding  ? ? 

 


Correct @shutter because what everyone seems to be forgetting is that all taxes in the UK go into one big pot, and are then distributed as the government sees fit - there are no 'ring-fenced' funds.

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