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Presumed Consent to Organ Donation

Was idling my time away reading another forum and they have a thread going on the above subject.
I understand that our Gord is all for it.
I want him to know that despite donating gallons of blood and plasma in my adult life, and being a potential bone marrow donor (too old now), I will be first to sign the opt-out register.
There's not much that you can truly call your own these days, except your body and I want the last say on what's to be done with it.
What do others think?
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Re: Presumed Consent to Organ Donation

I think when I'm dead it won't be that much use to me, so they can have what they want from it!
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Re: Presumed Consent to Organ Donation

I'm all in favour of it becoming opt-out.
In the unlikely event I have any useable parts left when I die I'd be more than happy if they gave extra life to someone else.
In my experience, its usually only the "grieving relatives" who object....
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Re: Presumed Consent to Organ Donation

When applying for my card driving licence, I believe I opted in on the application, where I think (but stand to be corrected, it was a while ago) the default was in, and you had to select out (prior to this I was a donor card carrier anyway) At of nearly pensionable age, I can't imagine what body part might be useful now, however, I hope though should it get to that stage the medical team will be sure I'll never need them again, as most donor organs are not removed from dead bodies, they're not much use then, but at certified brain stem death. My nearest family, or at least those who may be consulted, also know that it is my wish not to be resuscitated if for any reason on a life support machine.
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Re: Presumed Consent to Organ Donation

Just think of it this way.....
If you "opt out" of the scheme, i.e. refuse to let the medical profession re-cycle your body parts for the benefit of someone else so they may live.....
are you also going to "opt out"  of (refuse..)receiving a body part from someone, who did not "Opt Out", so that you can live? 
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Re: Presumed Consent to Organ Donation

Good point shutter, I suppose certain religious groups who interpret the bible writings in a way no other does might.
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Re: Presumed Consent to Organ Donation

I recently had a close friend who died in Papworth Hospital after a triple bypass.  At one point her doctors were contemplating a heart transplant for her but told me that the odds of this happening were very slight due to a shortage of donors.  I was told that in the UK last year there were only around 100 transplants carried out.  They felt this would be substantially increased if we had opt-out. 
Another point mentioned with the present system is that although you may have agreed for your organs to be used if you die, this can still be overruled by relatives at the time of death. 
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I heard, on radio 4 yesterday, that the main reason that the number of transplants, (of all kinds) is "low" in this country, is because there are not the facilities to do more.  By "facilities" the person speaking meant..... Qualified Surgeons, with full backup teams, Operating theatre time, and high dependency nursing staff, to cope with the patients on completion of surgery.....
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Another point mentioned with the present system is that although you may have agreed for your organs to be used if you die, this can still be overruled by relatives at the time of death. 

As I mentioned in my previous post. So you MUST let your nearest and dearest know what YOUR wishes are.
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..... Qualified Surgeons, with full backup teams, Operating theatre time, and high dependency nursing staff, to cope with the patients on completion of surgery.....

Papworth is the biggest heart/lung unit in this country and is fully staffed at all levels.  I was so impressed with the level of staff on duty 24/7. It was mentioned to me that general hospitals around the country may have a problem but not the specialist centres we now have. At Papworth they even have a team that can travel to harvest organs from elsewhere.  Distance, however, is critical.  I think they said 2 hours was the maximum radius for travelling in order that the organs were still usable when returned to the hospital.
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Re: Presumed Consent to Organ Donation

when i've finished with this kit there ain't gonna be any usable parts to harvest.  i'm driving this motor into the ground. Grin
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Re: Presumed Consent to Organ Donation

Shutter has a point regarding the item he listened to on Radio 4. I believe that all the hoo-ha about them not being able to do enough transplants because of lack of donors is just that. If everyone in the country suddenly agreed to let their organs be used the transplant list would probably not be a great deal better. The hospitals simply don't have the infrastructure to cope i.e. specialist nursing/medical staff, high dependency/itu beds, financial funding. IMO presumed consent is just a red herring.
Also, consider this: Would you think any different about donation if your organs went to someone who is a child/wife beater or other type of offender. Remember, your relatives/NOK can have no say in this.
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Poppy, initially there would be a backlog of transplants which would require adequate investment in finance, staff, facilities etc but after these have been cleared the flow of patients needing a transplant wold become more manageable.
Also on your last point about an organ going to an undesirable recipient, this would never be a problem.  Names of donors and recipients are not disclosed. I know there are risks of names being leaked but they go to great lengths to prevent it.
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..... Qualified Surgeons, with full backup teams, Operating theatre time, and high dependency nursing staff, to cope with the patients on completion of surgery.....

Papworth is the biggest heart/lung unit in this country and is fully staffed at all levels.  I was so impressed with the level of staff on duty 24/7. It was mentioned to me that general hospitals around the country may have a problem but not the specialist centres we now have. At Papworth they even have a team that can travel to harvest organs from elsewhere.  Distance, however, is critical.  I think they said 2 hours was the maximum radius for travelling in order that the organs were still usable when returned to the hospital.

Papworth Hospital may well be the "mecca" for transplants, however, with reference to my previous post, regarding the number of surgeons/theatre staff/backup and facilities..... and also with reference to your last sentence..... not everyone lives within 2 hours of Papworth, and other centres around the country, as they are spread so thinly on the ground. Therefore the capacity to accomodate prospective patients must also be increased...... et al.........
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Re: Presumed Consent to Organ Donation

In February 1988 I was on a ventilator in ITU at Luton & Dunstable Hosp and initially wasn't expected to survive.
I know that my wife agreed to my organs being used, if I didn't make it, and have never had a problem with that fact.
At 73 my bits are rather worn but I see no problem with an opt out system.