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Pepper with that Sir?

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Pepper with that Sir?

Out of control policeman http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15809742 dealing with people protesting about the bank crooks.
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Midnight_Caller
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Re: Pepper with that Sir?

That is just excessive force, what is not needed.  Angry
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That's one way to alienate future voters I suppose.  We're seeing treatment of people expressing their democratic rights to protest on par with the treatment you would expect from countries like Syria or Iran (except without the deaths).  Looking at it another way, in America you can picket a funeral of a gay boy who was murdered for being gay, carrying homophobic slogans and the police do nothing, this same country will send in the police with batons on pepper spray if you object to big companies, anyone else think the priorities are a lil messed up here?
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I think there is a difference.  There's no real harm in a short, peaceful picket but placards inciting trouble should be dealt with.  This is not the same as a small group of protesters blocking streets from being used by the larger majority of people attempting to go about their everyday lives, especially when this goes on for weeks at a time.
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anyone else think the priorities are a lil messed up here?

Just a tad mate yes. We're fighting terrorism and the use of aircraft as weapons.. yet we're going to use missiles to shoot down aircraft ourselves for the london games. What happens to the wreckage and any buildings below if a missile gets fired? - The same result as a terrorist would be aiming for. Mix in the latest security lapses at Dover where pretty much anyone could come in..
It's almost as if we're inviting the terrorists into the country and then offering to do their job for them. No wonder we've not had any attacks recently they probably get here and then wonder why they should bother when the government are doing such a good job themselves.
As for the protests I think its disgusting that the police use excessive force on peaceful protesters. As artmo says, sure, if they're causing trouble you have to gain control and use force if needed but just going along spraying people with pepper spray when they're peacefully sat there on the ground is sick. I don't know how the police think they can get away with stuff like this. Seems to me they go through initial training and then think they're untouchable and can do whatever they want.
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We're fighting terrorism and the use of aircraft as weapons.. yet we're going to use missiles to shoot down aircraft ourselves for the london games. What happens to the wreckage and any buildings below if a missile gets fired? - The same result as a terrorist would be aiming for.

Do you believe the the missiles are going to placed in London? Credit the Military some intelligence.
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There is no possibility of aircraft being shot down over the Olympic site.  No unidentified aircraft will be allowed anywhere near the area and there could be a complete ban on any aircraft overflying the site. 
Any unidentified aircraft would be intercepted away from the site and escorted out of the area.  This is the normal way these situations have been dealt with in the past.
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Do you believe the the missiles are going to placed in London? Credit the Military some intelligence.

Well since it was recently revealed they've been spending mega money on consultants to tell them all about their own weapons I'm not soo sure I should anymore.
Besides.. you never know what might happen as we can't see the future. If we did then the twin towers would still be standing and so many other accidents would be avoided.
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Quote from: artmo
There is no possibility of aircraft being shot down over the Olympic site.  No unidentified aircraft will be allowed anywhere near the area and there could be a complete ban on any aircraft overflying the site. 
Any unidentified aircraft would be intercepted away from the site and escorted out of the area.  This is the normal way these situations have been dealt with in the past.

I'd agree there's no possibility of the aircraft being shot down over the Olympic site, that's too close to where Dave lives
BUT
If your unidentified aircraft declines to be escorted out of the area
Will the escort have authority to shoot it down there and then if it declines to follow orders?
If not, how far up the food chain must the request to shoot go?
How certain are you that the unidentifed aircraft will be intercepted away from a built up area?
No doubt others might think of more questions to what appears to be wishful thinking.
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If it is decided to do so there could be a complete ban on flying over the zone and no aircraft would get anywhere near.  Any unidentified aircraft will be monitored by ATC well before it could cause a problem. Don't worry our military is well prepared.
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A complete flying ban over the Olympics site would make life interesting for London City airport. Even Lord Seb (£375kpa) Coe would find it difficult to ignore the fall out on that.
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There would have to be a serious incident for a ban but they most certainly will be controlling all airspace stringently during the event.
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Even so, since when have terrorists complied to stringent air traffic controls?
I say again, it seems the UK gov with their totally screwed up security at the ports and threats to destroy aircraft, are doing the terrorists jobs for them.
What are they going to do with a stray 777 full of passengers flying over london? - This is all very dodgy territory if you ask me as a terrorist could literally force the armed forces hand either way. Either shoot down a stray plane to protect london or don't shoot it down to protect potentially innocent passengers.
What they should of done was to keep their mouths shut about using missiles. Any terrorist out there whos heard the claim will also work out how to use this against us but no, as usual, we have to give our strategy away to the enemy Roll eyes
Any chance a Mod might move the olympic missile posts to a seperate thread?
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Don't worry our military is well prepared.

You wish.
A big chunk of our military, when it's not preparing for Afghanistan, is currently preparing for redundancy, and if they're going to be in the UK at the time, they'll be based too far away from London to attend the games, or won't be able to afford the ridiculous prices for tickets and/or accomodation. 
I suspect attending or guarding the Olympics will be way down their list of priorities
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What they should of done was to keep their mouths shut about using missiles. Any terrorist out there whos heard the claim will also work out how to use this against us but no, as usual, we have to give our strategy away to the enemy Roll eyes

Do you really believe that a terrorist flying or hi-jacking an aircraft into a controlled area wouldn't have expected to encounter missiles or fighter aircraft, unless they had been warned by a public statement? ??  Of course they would have expected it!
You seriously misjudge the threat and you underestimate the precautions that are being taken against it, and not just for the Olympics.
Yes, there is the dilemma whether to shoot down or not. That has been apparent ever since 9/11.
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I suspect attending or guarding the Olympics will be way down their list of priorities

Oh you of little faith!
You won't see lots of uniforms around, but they will be there from all three services.
The Marines will be watching the Thames, the Army working with the police and the RAF/Army  watching the air.