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Para-medics

Due to the shortage of GP's the government are considering some existing senior para-medics could undertake a 16 week course with the aim of taking on the role similar to what a GP does now, it's quite likely they would be in Health Centres with GP's who  would be available if they required advice if they were unsure of how to treat something.
Two questions,
1. If this goes ahead and is successful why was it not done years ago.
2. Would you be willing to be treated by a para- medic who had undergone the 16 week course ?
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Should the question be, Why do a GP need so many years of training?
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You will also find there is a shortage of paramedics, so how this plan will work is beyond me.
In terms of being able to treat patients, emergency medicine is very different to that of general medicine. Someone who enters medical school at 18 will not become a fully qualified GP until they are 29 or 30 (most of the training post graduation is spent in a hospital setting though).
The government need to have a serious look at why young doctors are not choosing general practice in for their training and also ways to improve efficiency within general practice medicine.
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@AndyH,
The cost of training Doctors is considerable and once they complete their training there is no guarantee they will stay in this country or go into private practice so the Government saves a fortune by having fewer training places and then advertises for Doctors from abroad.
There must be an attraction for Doctors in other countries who are on low salaries to come here but ethically it's wrong as the countries they come from can ill afford to lose them.
We have already seen this with nurses who can get a higher salary here.
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It has nothing to do with the cost - it's that the GP training places are not being filled. Young doctors are choosing the hospital route, rather than the GP route. It's just not attractive for young doctors to choose general medicine anymore.
GPs in the UK are some of the highest paid in Europe, so it's not to do with them going overseas also. 
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You will also find there is a shortage of paramedics, so how this plan will work is beyond me.

I think it's blatantly clear that anyone who can patch up a cut with a plaster will suddenly be offered a 3 week course on how to be a fake-a-medic  Cheesy
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It has nothing to do with the cost - it's that the GP training places are not being filled. Young doctors are choosing the hospital route, rather than the GP route. It's just not attractive for young doctors to choose general medicine anymore.
GPs in the UK are some of the highest paid in Europe, so it's not to do with them going overseas also. 
Perhaps the Doctors who have just finished their training are not up to the standard of the GP's of the past, you have only to look at the hours of duty during training that the Doctors of years ago had to work.
As for GP's in my younger days it was the same GP I always saw these days it a different one every time  I go and remember on your own admission they are some of the best paid in Europe.
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Perhaps the Doctors who have just finished their training are not up to the standard of the GP's of the past, you have only to look at the hours of duty during training that the Doctors of years ago had to work.

The role of GPs has changed massively over the last 10 years. GPs are expected to do a lot more than they did previously and the average number of patients per GP has sky rocketed.
The hours are still pretty bad. My sister has just worked 13 days in a row for 13 hours a day.
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As for GP's in my younger days it was the same GP I always saw these days it a different one every time  I go and remember on your own admission they are some of the best paid in Europe.

Heck, when I was younger, an entire family had the same family doctor and knew him by his first name. Things have changed a lot since then...
The problem is simple. We know the number of GPs we need in the future and we create the appropriate number of training places - this is the easy bit. The problem comes when for the last 5 or so years, you have not been able to fill the number of training places. This create a major, major problem for the now and the future. The GP magazine, Pulse, sums up the problem - http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/your-practice/practice-topics/education/half-of-gp-training-places-unfil...

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strange that....... a couple of weeks ago i needed what I considered non urgent medical attention, out of hours, so I dialled 111 and the paramedic who came was a G.P. 
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I have mixed feelings about it all to be honest. There are some who say they can never see a GP, others who say they never get the same one twice, can't call one out.. etc
I see my GP regularly. By this i mean typically once or twice a month but in a moment when i'm having multiple health problems, i can be there 3 times a week (my record was 5 prescriptions). Granted it's a pain trying to get an appointment - you literally have to ring at 8am on the dot with my GP surgery or by one minute past every appointment has gone.
He is also the only GP that was willing and / or able to visit me at home in over 28 years when i had my gall bladder removed and I had other symptoms. Just yesterday i was down there with 7up jnr and considering that he has over 3k patients, he remembers me by name (and my ailments) even though it wasn't a visit about myself - but he still took time to ask how i was doing too.
A couple of years ago after i had my major surgery, i thought i'd ripped something inside. Rang 111 who contacted the out of hours doctors who wanted me to go to them. I told them i couldn't drive as i'd just had major surgery and they said they'd send a doctor. To my utter surprise the doctor that turned up was english! Now i'm not saying this in a racist way but thats quite a rare thing in my area and it was a lot easier to communicate with him - it was as if we were on the same wavelength.
There's certainly some mixed up versions of the service isn't there.
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Quote from: gleneagles
1. If this goes ahead and is successful why was it not done years ago.

Erm, cos they didn't think of it before perhaps?? Roll eyes
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2. Would you be willing to be treated by a para- medic who had undergone the 16 week course ?

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existing senior para-medics

If they're already paramedics, and already have front-line experience of treating people with a wide variety of illness, injury and whatnot, then yes, I'd be quite comfortable with that... Smiley
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The paramedic training courses are already being run in 44 universities and colleges throughout the country so it won't be long before we see them in GPs' surgeries.
The one thing that hasn't been made clear is the actual role they will play. Many of the senior paramedics that currently work for the ambulance service are highly trained and could take over many roles currently done by GPs.
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The one thing that hasn't been made clear is the actual role they will play. Many of the senior paramedics that currently work for the ambulance service are highly trained and could take over many roles currently done by GPs.

I remember this coming up moons ago about nurses being let loose with needles etc. Now it's an every day thing.
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Thing to remember is that first aid ( paramedics are trained to administer first aid primarily plus certain life sustaining treatments and drugs). First aid is defined as administering aid, 'preventing the condition from worsening'.
So while he/she is there you aren't going to get any worse (hopefully). They already attend people who are seriously ill, without notes, and diagnose them in as far as recognising the implications, and pass them up the line.
What does a doctor do if he can't treat you...pass you to a specialist.  It's not the capabilities that need to be questioned, it's the moral implications.
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I wonder if there are any Vets that are paramedics.......... 
As I understand it... a Vet is not supposed to/allowed to treat humans...... BUT.... if you were in an accident... and 20 people were standing around gawping at you bleeding from a severe wound... would you object if the vet came up to you and said... "Don`t worry, I`m a vet....... "  and started to put a tournique on  ? ? ? 
I don`t think anyone who calls the paramedics, ever questions the person who arrives, as to their "seniority" or "experience".... they are just grateful that someone has come to help them... and let them get on with it....