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One for our "shipmates"

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One for our "shipmates"

It intrigues me; when is a boat a boat, and a ship become a ship? can't be anything to do with size, as nuclear submarines are huge, and they're called boats. The Portsmouth Isle-of-wight ferry is known as a ship, which is a good deal smaller than a nuclear sub.
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Dunno!  Embarrassed    Undecided  short answer ! Roll eyes
However, as you so rightly say, in the "andrew" , subs are always referred to as "boats"....
probably dates back to the earliest inventions when they were called "under water boats". 
(I think the German Navy call them  "Unterbotenschute"......
as for ships, well, I have never been "in boats" but I understand that all surface ships are called "skimmers" by those who frequent the deep. Wink Smiley
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@Shutter
Was your canal tub like this  - 3 pics have to load three times
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No Pierre, I wish it was!...
see these pics..... 70feet long, 7 feet wide, 13.5 tons, and powered by a 1944 Coventry Climax two stroke diesel engine, as used by the RN in 16foot wooden fast patrol boats during the war.
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A ship has a captain to command it (her?), a boat is run by the crew as a whole. I think that's the case, anyway. Random bit of pub trivia knowledge someone told me a while ago.
EDIT: The sites google throws up suggests that a ship has to be large enough to carry a boat, and a boat be small enough to be carried by a ship (even though there may be exceptions). I prefer my answer though, even if it isn't verified anywhere...
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Well, I guess that must be the beer talking, because all "boats" and "ships" in the Royal Navy, have a Captain.  I don`t think you could run a submarine on "consensus" ! !..
(Even Tug Boats have a Captain!!!)

@Pierre,  Nice boat ship !...  I guess that was on the Caledonian Ship Canal?
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from the National Maritime Museum's website:
"A vessel below 40 feet in length and 40 tons is known as a boat. Submarines and fishing boats are always known as boats, whatever their size".
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conWebDoc.17930.
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Is there an exception?    My Narrowboat, and quite a few others are well over 40 feet in overall length.  Cheesy
And of course the Norwegians,  and Vikings, had "long boats"
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May way less than 40 tonnes though.... then again....
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I guess that was on the Caledonian Ship Canal?

Neptunes Staircase, Fort William
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Seen on the High Seas, a shag on the rocks - Phalacrocorax aristotelis
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It intrigues me; when is a boat a boat, and a ship become a ship?

It was originally to do with size I think - a bit like when does a machine gun become a cannon.  Cheesy
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from the National Maritime Museum's website:
"A vessel below 40 feet in length and 40 tons is known as a boat. Submarines and fishing boats are always known as boats, whatever their size".
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conWebDoc.17930.
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Ooo, one I can answer!
My Naval colleagues tell me a ship leans out when it turns and a boat leans in when it turns.
Ship - Outy-ways

Boat - Inny-ways