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Once upon a time.................

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Once upon a time.................

Once upon a time................. when we had disasters, such as has happened at Workington, and Cockermouth, where bridges were washed away, within 24 hours the Army had built up a "temporary" or Bailey Bridge,  I suppose the Army has been depleted over the years because of the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the "end" of the cold war, and they are now overstretched in a war far away, the government haven`t any spare engineers in the Army to assist the local authority and to replace the bridges (or at least a couple of the "easier" ones....
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Don't you watch the news?
That's what they are doing at the minute according to Auntie this morning.
Of course - the army were involved in the rescue and subsequent protection of people and property - I guess they thought this was more important than risking their lives battling flood waters to build a bridge - at least let the waters subside so the task is easier and safer.
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Didn`t see anything on the GMTV news this morning... not a mention , apart from John Stapleford chatting to a lady who had damage done to her business and home.
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If you relied on BBC for news you'd be largely under the impression that the flooding was an issue for Cockermouth whereas the whole of Cumbria is affected.  News media does like to focus very closely and thereby miss giving us the whole picture.  I know they have mentioned other places (occasionally and briefly) but they do want to "home" in on one bit always.  I presume therefore that they give the same incomplete or slightly distorted view of other news events too.
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Somebody on the radio this morning - maybe Wogan, said that the headline news of GMTV was that some 'celebrity' had left a reality TV programme.
As if that is the most important issue.

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It was only some plastic Barbie Mal.
I did see the local BBC news this morning at 7:00 and in an interview with an army officer he was asked if the army had bridges to temporarily replace the damaged ones.
He replied that yes they had but needed to wait for daylight to access the damage and their priority was assisting the local police and emergency services.
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I've no doubt that the sappers will be called in to replace some of the collapsed bridges, with temporary structures, but it won't happen overnight.
For starters where in the UK do The Royal Engineers keep stocks of the giant Mechano needed and where are the transporters to move it to Cumbria.
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Ok I realise that its not a battlefield situation, but would the Sappers need to wait for daylight to lay a bridge blown up by the enemy under service conditions?
That's progress I suppose.
PS. Sky News is doing rather better for this awful event than ITV or auntie. I cannot imagine what its like to have your home under several feet of filthy water. Its a nuisance sometimes but, there are some advantages to living near the top of a 400ft hill (that's above sea level)
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The difference is that we are not at war and so the soldiers lives are probably more important that getting a bridge open to save Supermarket trucks about 50 miles
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Ok I realise that its not a battlefield situation, but would the Sappers need to wait for daylight to lay a bridge blown up by the enemy under service conditions?
They might well put in a temporary bridge, during dark hours, to avoid enemy fire but I'm amazed that people assume that there's a squad of sappers, with right equipment, anywhere near Cumbria.
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It's a nuisance  sometimes but, there are some advantages to living near the top of a 400ft hill (that's above sea level)
We are at a similar height ( can see 10 miles out of bedroom window) and I quite agree albeit it can be tricky getting home if it snows.
Also means we get great Freeview reception.
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Someone asked me if I watched the news.... was "channel hopping" at about 16:10 today, and managed to catch the tail end of a report from Cockermouth, the lady reporter said she had just been handed some information , a few seconds ago, in which it stated that "there will be no talk of building bailey or temporary bridges until after Christmas"....
Oh Dear... how times have changed.....  Undecided
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Anyone here been in the royal Engineers - /
Do they keep kits of bailey bridges at all in piece time ?. After all in 1943/44 huge stokes of such material were built up ready for the invasion of mainland Europe.
But having said that - in 1982 industry was wound up very quickly to produce material for the Falklands war - such as helidecks on QE2, Canberra and all sorts of other things.
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News item I saw at lunchtime was saying that temporary bridges would be constructed by civilian firms and not the army.
I think a major problem is that they can't just put a temporary bridge where another has collapsed as it would have to be removed to reconstruct the broken bridge. I can't see why the footbridge, from Northside estate, couldn't be easily replaced and perhaps they could allow escorted groups across the intact railway bridge.
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Anyone here been in the royal Engineers - /
Nope - was in Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers and we only played with smaller items  Smiley
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Just had a thought...... I wonder what would happen if 6 bridges in central London collapsed, or suddenly became "unsafe" and had to be closed?
would the authorities give the same response?  "there will be no talk of building bailey or temporary bridges until after Christmas"..
I doubt it....  Merry Christmas Cumbria.... you`re a long way from Westminster... Undecided
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Now you are getting to the heart of the matter, Cumbria, where's that? By next week you will see nothing on the news at all about it