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On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving

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On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving

On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving
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Ministers say motorists who tail-gate, undertake or cut others up often go unpunished and that introducing instant penalties would be more efficient.

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But the Institute of Advanced Motorists said on-the-spot fines were not necessarily the right approach for careless driving because, unlike speeding, cases were often not clear-cut.
It also said their introduction could make police reluctant to enter into lengthy prosecutions even in more serious cases.

I've always maintained that it's careless and dangerous driving that causes accidents rather than simply speed but I don't think this is the way forward.
I see so many people driving with a phone to their ear, a sandwich in their hand or just plain stupidly that it's sensible to crack down but I feel giving the police powers to be judge and jury is wrong.
What do others think on this...?

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James
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Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving

I think it's a good idea.
People will learn soon enough.
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Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving

Trouble is; the chances of being caught using a phone, munching a sandwich or worse listening through headphones (which is illegal) while driving are very small, which is why you see so many doing it, the risk is small (of getting caught not the risk of causing an accident!!)
There is also talk of raising the motorway speed limit to 80mph (the speed that it seems most drive at anyway unless there's a police traffic car around) which is where I agree with Mav's OP that speed used respectfully is not dangerous in itself.
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Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving

Unenforceable in areas as large as Dyfed-Powys where they have only 1200 full time officers and 25 stations to cover half of west Wales.
It'll be the same as mobile phones whilst driving, you'll see it on Idiot Drivers On Camera vol. 35 on ITV4, but you'll never know anyone it happened to.
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Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving

Where I live there are a couple of schools (infants and primary) and it's amazing how many (it's usually the mothers) drive their children while chatting on their mobile.
It's at these places and times the old bill should be doing their job. What makes it seems so much worse is that when you (or they) have to swerve to avoid a collision the other driver looks at you as if it was your fault.

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last night I follow a Black and Yellow sandwich Police Volvo Estate for five mile at about 2200, was had four vehicles come towards us with the outside head light off, Action none
from Great Yeldham to A1124 on the A1017 for logger trace see below
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Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving

Plods thought they were motorbikes.

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Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving

Undertaking -also mentioned-  (passing on the inside) is a tricky one. Many countries actually encourage (or at least don't discourage it) this manoeuvre but, their motorists are used to it and check BOTH mirrors from time to time rather than just the offside one like most British drivers.
Like higher speeds, its not unsafe when done correctly and is sometimes (rarely) the only way to deal with the middle lane slow-hog oblivious to anything going on around him/her when the outside lane is very busy.
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Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving

the only way to legally pass on the inside is when you are already in that lane and the outside lane slows down, it is 100% illegal in any other situation and I am surprised that you would suggest that
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Quote from: Jameseh
I think it's a good idea.
People will learn soon enough.

What...?  You mean.... people have learned not to, or stopped,  using a mobile phone whilst driving... because the police can jump on them?  HAA  HAAA  HAAAA!.  Grin
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Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving

So you don't think that if you got fined £100 for using a phone whilst driving, you would be less inclined to do it again?
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the only way to legally pass on the inside is when you are already in that lane and the outside lane slows down, it is 100% illegal in any other situation and I am surprised that you would suggest that

Except on a roundabout.

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So you don't think that if you got fined £100 for using a phone whilst driving, you would be less inclined to do it again?

It is a well publicised "offence"...... but people do not seem to have learned......
(I agree, those that have been caught,  "probably" won`t do it again... but they should have "learned" before being caught )
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I feel giving the police powers to be judge and jury is wrong.

This came up quite a few years ago as an idea for this and a number of other offences.
It was thrown out (effectively by government lawyers/ professional legislators) as totally impractical and the politicians had to backpedal then.
The reasons were because so many potential "crimes" were subjective and in many cases there would be no evidence either.
The added complexity would be a flood of court cases arguing against the fines on exactly that basis and also seeking compensation.
The same will probably happen this time once it's checked out in detail and the practicalities investigated. i.e. it will be quietly binned.  Lips are sealed
I note that the BBC are reporting it as if it's already in place!  Crazy
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Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving

Presumably you would have the choice of paying up or taking it to a court.
Personally, I rarely carry £100. Cheesy