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No Survivors from Airliner Crash

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@Mav wrote:

According to a Daily Mail report:

Boeing issued a safety warning last November about its new 737 Max jets which could have a fault that causes them to nose-dive. The MAX-8 planes were launched in 2016 and are used by major airlines all around the world.

I assume it's profits before lives or they would've been grounded while the fault was investigated and rectified. Then again, perhaps this had nothing to do with the known fault?


There's also been a quality issue with the engines which were being supplied - made in france. Boeing wasn't happy with the low quality of them a while back for whatever reason. Sounds like that might have played a part here - airliners don't typically get into trouble unless an engine packs up or goes bang. Sure there are plenty of things that can happen - fuel leak, power failure, metal fatigue etc but the biggie is engines - complex machines, very fragile and if they go pop the plane is really in the knackers yard.

As for the chinese thing.. yeah they make a lot of trash. They also make some awesome stuff. Yeah they may well be moons ahead and make us look like we're in the dark ages but don't forget we also have advanced stuff here too - we just don't get to see a lot of it (look at the new submarine that went out recently). Our economy is smaller, our nation is smaller and so what spreads around china very quickly will take a lot longer to spread to the UK. With the invention of digital tech / design, it was only a matter of time until China overtook the UK. Oh and the UK government for years has turned its back on engineering here in the UK and done everything possible to quash it..

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Re: No Survivors from Airliner Crash

A better explanation of the way the Max8's stabilisation software works. 

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safety/what-is-the-boeing-737-max-maneuvering-characteristics-aug...

It seems to be the focus of attention at the moment because of the similarity of this crash to the Lionair incident.

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@7up wrote:

 


Sure there are plenty of things that can happen - fuel leak, power failure, metal fatigue etc but the biggie is engines -

And when there's only two of them (engines) - four legs good, two legs bad - or something like that ...

And then when they shut the wrong one of two engines down in a fault situation - which has happened ...

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Aircraft should be able to fly on one engine (including take-off and landing).

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@Mav wrote:

Aircraft should be able to fly on one engine.


Perfectly true of course, as long as the last remaining engine doesn't also fail. Grin

On the page linked to there is a further link, ' What happens if all engines fail? ' which gives an explanation that the aircraft can glide.   Hmmm ... I wouldn't hold out much chance of gliding halfway across any of the larger oceans!

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An interesting video about Air Canada Flight 143 which, in 1983, ran out of fuel halfway into the flight. Amazing co-incidences and bad luck yet all survived.

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The FAA has issued a Continued Airworthiness Notification to the International Community (CANIC) related to the Boeing 737-8 and Boeing 737-9 (737 MAX) fleet. The document is available at .

 

 

faa safety notice.png

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There was talk on the news this evening of an anti-stall device.  Apparently this is new and might need to be switched off under certain circumstances, and it was suggested that the pilots might not have realised this.  It could be that this device will turn the nose down if it detects a danger of stalling, which would be catastrophic at low altitude, i.e. just after take-off.  However, the use of preflight checklists would surely guarantee that any routine switching off of certain equipment before take-off can't be missed.

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@Jonpe 

Read post 17 of this thread. Smiley

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@Mav wrote:

According to a Daily Mail report:

Boeing issued a safety warning last November about its new 737 Max jets which could have a fault that causes them to nose-dive. The MAX-8 planes were launched in 2016 and are used by major airlines all around the world.

I assume it's profits before lives or they would've been grounded while the fault was investigated and rectified. Then again, perhaps this had nothing to do with the known fault?


 

 

Well, Boeing have not issued a "grounding order"... BUT..... ( this from the Flight Radar twitter site )

 

5 hours ago

By our count, 23 airlines and nearly 150 737MAX aircraft affected so far by groundings.

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Boeing must be a hive of activity these past few days... but maybe they ought to just ground all the 737 MAX planes, until they have found the cause.... Countries are doing it, on an individual basis, but it would be better for Boeing to show they are REALLY concerned, rather than saying nothing....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6798473/Pressure-mounts-Boeing-countries-airlines-ground-Ma...

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Just now on the 1 o'clock news on BBC1:  Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft banned from UK airspace!

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Confirmed by this story on BBC news site

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47536502

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Re: No Survivors from Airliner Crash

Knee jerk reaction, worried about liability, or genuine and serious safety concerns.

It can difficult to tell these days. 


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@Minivanman  "Knee Jerk Reaction"  ? ? ? ?   really  ? ? ? ? 

Every airline operator INSISTS that their "customer safety is a priority"... so not flying a "dodgy" plane cannot be considered "knee jerk reaction"..

 

Or... put it another way... would you fly on one of those `planes, knowing what you know now  ? ?