No Survivors from Airliner Crash

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@artmo wrote:

Boeing has reached a settlement agreement with the families of the 346 passengers on board the 2 planes.

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This news will not be welcomed, though,  .... as I expect that BOEING tied the relatives into a contract saying the  "settlement" was " full and final" and that no further claims agains BOEING can be made in future...

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1347297243112607746

Which... basically means, I suppose,.... that BOEING have "done a deal".... and  "got away with it"...    

So much for  American Justice.........

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Further reading to my previous........

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9124061/Boeing-pay-2-5-billion-settle-charge-plane.html

it seems that the first information was not fully understood.... looks like the BOEING company have been forced to pay the relatives more than it appears in that report above..

sorry for any confusion.

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...and just to lighten the mood   . 😊

Well, a curly-headed girl with a bright shining smile
Heard the roar of a plane as it sailed through the sky
To her playmates she said, with a bright twinkling eye
My Daddy flies that ship in the sky

My Daddy flies that ship in the sky
My Daddy flies that ship in the sky
My Mama's not afraid and neither am I
'Cause my Daddy flies that ship in the sky

Then a button-nosed kid, as he kicked up his heels
He said, My Daddy works in the iron and the steel
My Dad builds the planes and they fly through the sky
And that's what keeps your daddy up there so high

That's what keeps your daddy up there so high
That's what keeps your daddy up there so high
My Dad builds the planes and they fly through the sky
And that's what keeps your daddy up there so high

Then a freckle-faced kid pinched his toe in the sand
He says, My Daddy works at that place where they land
You tell your mama, don't be afraid
My Dad'll bring your daddy back home again

My Dad'll bring your daddy back home again
My Dad'll bring your daddy back home again
Don't be afraid when it gets dark and rains
My Dad'll bring your daddy back home again

Songwriters: Woody Guthrie

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Tragic news of another one down.

Reports coming in of it having crashed into the sea.

Indonesia Sriwijaya Air passenger plane missing after take-off - BBC News

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Here is the flight information from FR24.

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@Minivanman wrote:

Tragic news of another one down.

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That was an ancient (as planes go) 737.

After 26 years some non replaceable parts like the airframe must be getting a bit iffy. And some countries maintenance records are not the best.

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@billnotben 

You may be right but lets not forget that the 757 being used by the US president must be nearly as old - although granted it must receive tip top maintenance.

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The US presidential airforce one jets are modified 747s & the current ones are roughly 30 years old.

There are two brand new 747 - 8 Intercontinentals being converted at the moment - they where due to go to an Russian airline but it went bust. The planes where flight tested but never delivered.

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I don't suppose the two Air Force Ones do anywhere near as much flying as commercial airliners so they should last considerably longer.  According to The White House website the oldest of the two was delivered in 1990.

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@billnotben wrote:

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After 26 years some non replaceable parts like the airframe must be getting a bit iffy. And some countries maintenance records are not the best.

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Jet2 last year were flying 30 year old Boeings from MAN to PMI. No guarantee the previous owners looked after them any better than a used car!

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That's why the captain always walks around the aircraft and kicks the tyres before borarding! 😀

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It is not the captain that does that. My sister had to do it as a trainee stewardess with BEA (back every afternoon!) on 1-11s and Tridents !

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Back on topic allegedly the plane was intact when it hit the water. Dropping like a stone implies an unrecovered stall which does not happen often in aircraft of that type.  The old high-T tail aircraft were much more risky.

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I am not great with flying, as I don't like it.

My dad had a light aircraft license, so I used to get a running commentary of when the flaps come down, when the plane is doing it's final circle (for finals) and when we are landing. When you touch the ground is obvious, but reverse thrust is interesting and I'd get a commentary whilst we we taxing from the airport too. I hated the takeoffs more than the landing as I know they are more risky.

I would have those days back with dad if I could. He was fine, just not the best person to be around when you're flying.