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[quote="Sprite"] Yeah but I did say wine trader. Do you have a brewery? I'd class people who purchase and drink the stuff as consumers. Remember to owe almost 1/2 a million you'd need to be turning over a lot of money.

What makes a wine producer Aristocracy then? What sector would you put a beer producer into, or a spirit producer?
Aren't these people usually the ones with lots of land, wine vines, expensive production equipment, large houses, land rovers...
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I would if I was able to. Unfortunately I have other issues which prevent me doing such a thing (issues I am not prepared to discuss publicly). Believe me though, if I was ever able to, there would be a lot of changes in this country that woud level out the playing field. Australia has a good system, they tax the rich more than the poor so there is a smaller divide. They also have a better way of life. That needs to happen HERE. Only then will you cut crime, drugs, lack of hope, economical instability etc.
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What makes a wine producer Aristocracy then?

Aren't these people usually the ones with lots of land, wine vines, expensive production equipment, large houses, land rovers...

Shocked
Hang on ... I'll just look out of the window ...

Nope.
You mean those people with dilapidated old farm buildings,  tractors that look like they were made in the 1950's,  and only employ eastern Europeans because us English are too expensive !
The Vineyard in Purleigh !
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Although they must be quite well off, as I have picked up a wireless SSID of a Plusnet router over there !  Crazy
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[quote="Sprite"]Aren't these people usually the ones with lots of land, [wine vines], expensive production equipment, large houses, land rovers...

That applies to every farming food producer in the country!
You really ought to get out more and temper your bigotry with positive experiences!
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You really ought to get out more and temper your bigotry with positive experiences!

Grin
I can highly recommend trying this - http://www.newhallwines.co.uk/winefest.htm
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It could be said that Amazon (for example) evade taxes for the benefit of their customers with whom they share the benefit in lower prices. Lips are sealed
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I'll drink to that purleigh!
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Well as sure as eggs are eggs Strat, their prices would be higher if their taxes were to increase!  Huh
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It could be said that Amazon (for example) evade taxes for the benefit of their customers with whom they share the benefit in lower prices. Lips are sealed
And I'm Traditional Working Class Smiley

It could also be said that Amazon can offer lower prices than the bloke in the High Street because they're evading taxes and he isn't..  Lips are sealed
And I'm of the class that accepts everyone else is as good as me until they prove different.  Wink
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But, it's not tax evasion. It may be (as a lot think) 'morally' wrong but it's not illegal.
The 'man in the high street' hasn't got the buying power to undercut Amazon and they never will. The distribution costs from manufacturer to retailer are enormous and have to be passed on to the cause. Amazon will receive its goods by the lorry load into centralised warehouse systems at a unit cost that is a fraction of the cost that High Street shops cost.
Amazon has virtually no 'retail' costs in the traditional way. They have no retail premises or retail staff. They are not paying High Street rates
Like it or not, retail outlets are becoming a thing of the past. Most are just acting as showrooms to the internet retailers
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Like it or not, retail outlets are becoming a thing of the past. Most are just acting as showrooms to the internet retailers

So right.  When Peter Jones bought and re-opened some of the Jessops shops last week he acknowledged that one of the failings of the old group was that their products were too expensive and that Jessops were used simply to view items before being ordered online from competitors.  He has reduced the price of his goods and set up a website. His logic is that customers can get the same price in-store or online and therefore he will retain the sale.
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Doesn't the whole problem of legal tax evasion stem from governments/MP's who deliberately leave these loopholes in to benefit themselves?
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His logic is that customers can get the same price in-store or online and therefore he will retain the sale.

Some stores have already adopted this sales model, PCWorld and Apple as examples. Have the shop front presence to 'touch and feel', then the Website to catch the buyer when they shop online. The trick is to remember to ask for the discount voucher when in the shop
Charles Dunstan took it a step further by making his shops compete yet at the same time augment with his online. It was not uncommon in the early days to buy something online and receive a 'redeemable-shop-voucher' or vis-versa.
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And I'm Traditional Working Class Smiley

As am I  Wink
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Hang on ... I'll just look out of the window ...

Nope.
You mean those people with dilapidated old farm buildings,  tractors that look like they were made in the 1950's,  and only employ eastern Europeans because us English are too expensive !

Well in my area there are tons of vineyards and wine tasting places and from a previous job I once did I came across plenty of well to do people attending them almost every day to get themselves sozzled. I will however offer my apologies to those offended by my comments.
Still.. to owe £450k in tax.. must be a hell of a profit they've made right? So why are people defending them not paying it?  Roll eyes
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So right.  When Peter Jones bought and re-opened some of the Jessops shops last week..

He did one of the best things this country has seen for a long time  Cool Good old Jonesy.. I never thought he'd declare him self 'in' with Jessops but he'll turn them around and make it work and thankfully he's keeping most of the staff too from what I heard?
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Still.. to owe £450k in tax.. must be a hell of a profit they've made right? So why are people defending them not paying it?  Roll eyes
Nobody is defending him not paying his tax - we are objecting to your describing him as aristocracy.
If you had bothered to check his address you would have found that it is a terrace house
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Marion+Drive,+Mobberley&hl=en&ll=53.314846,-2.329659&spn=0.004474,0....
Here is some more information https://www.duedil.com/company/06832974/the-trade-beverage-company-limited and it went bust after 2 years