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Motorway roadworks speed limit.

Reading this morning on the BBC News website that motorway roadworks speed limit is to be raised in England from the usual 50mph to 60mph in order "to ease frustrations".

Should I be bovvered?

Well no, I suppose not, given that I live in Wales and these days rarely if ever use what motorways we have here, but it does seem a daft idea... and England today, Wales tomorrow?

One thing that's not two, I'd hate to be a motorway worker reading about this.


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So... the national speed limit on motorways is 70 mph... and the powers-that-be said, oh ... hang on a mo... you should drive slower through road works for the safety of the guys working there... let`s make it 50 mph... that way..you will only be a few minutes longer on your journey, and we won`t kill, or injure so many workers if you just banged on through the road works...

 

now.. it seems the "public inconvenience" is being put above the safety of those guys who work on the motorways.. 


We all hate the speed limit on the roadworks section.. but it is in place for a reason.. and we should keep it at 50 .. or even reduce it more to 40... 

What should be done, is to reduce the length of unused motorways BEFORE the roadworks start.. ( i think that is a safety measure also, )  which is generally the cause of frustration, having to drive for two or three miles at 50mph to save the lives of the cones . and by the time you actually reach the working area, then you are more likely to be involved in an accident because of the frustration.. people will tend to look at the works, rather than pay attention to the road/vehicle in front.....

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My Wife was involved in the trial on the M1 between Bedford and Northampton. They raised the speed limit and she had to have a dashcam for a month to monitor the difference and got some Amazon vouchers for ding so. Silly thing is that although the roadworks have stayed at 60mph, they added to the end of them, which they reduced again to 50mph!!

There has also been a trial on the M6 around the Stoke area which has seen 60mph Northbound and 50mph Southbound because of the contraflow. We travelled from ours to Blackpool a couple of years ago and over 50% of the mileage was roadworks, most of which was having no work carried out or had been completed. Raising the limit through areas of no work/ completed work is perfectly acceptable. I seem to recall that Theresa May said years ago that roadworks would be limited to 5 mile (or similar) stretches, that never happened!!

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@Marksfish 

Fully agree with you, it makes no sense to keep the limit at 50 mph when no work is being done or has been completed.

I often drive along the M6 to Cumbria and during the time they built that bypass near Lancaster that goes to Heysham it was quite common to drive past miles of cones with no one working on site, indeed after the work was completed and the bypass opened it was another month before the cones were removed.

I agree the present speed limit should be kept in place when workmen (workwomen) are on site.

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@gleneagles 

You don't think it's safer to drive that bit slower past those cones? 

It's not just the safety of workman (sorry, 'workpeople') it's about safety overall and just because there is nobody around does not necessarily mean all the work has been completed. 

Frustrating I'm sure, but then traffic goes much to fast as it is - or am I just getting older. 😃


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@Minivanman You're just getting older.😉

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@Minivanman wrote:

 

Frustrating I'm sure, but then traffic goes much to fast as it is - 😃


We have one of he lowest speed limits in mainland, continental Europe (except for some of the Eastern European countries and Norway!). There was talk of raising it to 80mph which would be more sensible in the days of safer vehicles, the 70mph limit was brought in during very different times, with drum brakes, no safety measures (seatbelts not fitted, let alone compulsory, no safety glass, poor tyres, etc). The biggest problem on the motorways (imo) isn't the speed, it is the lack of lane discipline which leaves Joe Bloggs doddering along in lane 3 of 4 causing unnecessary delays and encouraging undertaking. I asked a young driver colleague why he hogged the middle lane when I followed him to a job. His reply was he thought the "slow lane" was only for lorries and coaches!! There we have it, no motorway education and people keep referring to the "slow lane" and "fast lane", when really there is only one driving lane, the rest are overtaking lanes. 70mph at rush isn't just not sensible, it is usually unachievable. 70mph at 11pm on a empty motorway is just as ludicrous as it trying to drive at 70mph in torrential rain/ bad visibility and others. You drive to the conditions.

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@Marksfish 

Fair points, but maybe that's part of the problem - to many uneducated and selfish drivers?

Not sure how if differs in say Germany where I don't think there is a speed limit or France where there is but the roads (avoiding Paris) are much quieter....

I do know that when coming back to the UK the first impression (apart from the litter) is just how busy the roads are and it must be said, how awful the driving is.

Too many cars of course. 😕


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@shutter wrote:

 

What should be done, is to reduce the length of unused motorways BEFORE the roadworks start.. ( i think that is a safety measure also, )  which is generally the cause of frustration, having to drive for two or three miles at 50mph to save the lives of the cones . and by the time you actually reach the working area, then you are more likely to be involved in an accident because of the frustration.. people will tend to look at the works, rather than pay attention to the road/vehicle in front.....


I agree shutter, Not so long ago I was travelling along a duel carriageway and coming off one particular roundabout the the left hand lane was coned off, it continued to be so for about 4 miles. At the end of it a man was digging a hole the other side of the ditch 10mtr from the next roundabout. I'm all for safety but sometimes there appears to be no rhyme or reason or even rules to what/how/when lanes are closed.

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@Mayfly wrote:

... the left hand lane was coned off, it continued to be so for about 4 miles. At the end of it a man was digging a hole the other side of the ditch 10mtr from the next roundabout. I'm all for safety but sometimes there appears to be no rhyme or reason or even rules to what/how/when lanes are closed.

Not only wasting the time of many drivers but what about the huge wasted cost of placing 4 miles worth of cones unnecessarily. Roll_eyes

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They are saving the cost of picking them up.... and storing them until next use..

 

. leave them where they are....   pick them up... place them at new site... save money ! !  ( one crew - one job  - one payment

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And lots of frustrated motorists.😁

 

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50 mph is a speed people dream about on the M6 most of the time, especially between junctions 4 and 11 ( or 11 and 4 as well ). 50 mph not really a problem to me but as others have said a lot of the time nobody seems to be present on the other side of the cones,  but the limit stays in place. 

 

More of a problem ( disappointment ) to me is that while other countries are building roundabouts and love them, UK seem to be replacing roundabouts with traffic lights and guess what,  where there was never a queue before there are now long tailbacks,  and when the lights break down the queues disappear...... One road by us is up there with Blackpool illuminations for the most lights per mile...

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@wotsup 'elf 'n safety says people can't be trusted at junctions, so they have to 'helped' by lights - stupid, I know, but that#s how their brains work.

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Yep living in London the M6 is a bit far from me, I have driven down there before, I think junction 4 takes you to North Birmingham. Know a little bit about it as I lived there for 3 years when I went to Uni. I am sure I have driven that way before. The other way is A45/M45. We liked the M45. Quite empty and me and my friend *cough* may have broken the speed limit down there. Say no more.

The A2 in South East London (where I live) is insane. Though part of it is when it becomes the M2 a bit futher down away from London. I am sure when I did my driving test I was taken down there. The part nearer to London (where I am is like a motorway) is insane. Really busy - 3 lanes either way and is like a motorway.

Strangely it isn't, so technically a learner could drive down there.

When I did my driving test I am sure I was taken down there - all legal of course as technically it isn't a motorway. That is a load of rubbish, it is exactly like a busy one.