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Miserable news in the Telegraph

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Miserable news in the Telegraph

For all you sun lovers who were looking forward to a Mediterranean climate due to Global Warming here is some really bad news
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7589931/Coldest-weather-in-30-years-marks...
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Coldest weather in 30 years marks the start of a series of extreme winters
After enduring the coldest winter for 30 years, you might have been hoping for some respite from the cold weather.
By Laura Roberts
Published: 9:00AM BST 15 Apr 2010
However, scientists are now warning that Britain can expect to endure a series of extreme winters - the like of which have not seen for more than 300 years.
Researchers have found that low solar activity - marked by a decrease in the sun's magnetic field - influences the weather conditions across northern Europe.
The last time the sun showed similar behaviour, between 1650 and 1700, temperatures dropped so low that Londoners were able to skate and hold fairs on the iced-over River Thames.
According to a study published today, we are moving into "an era of low solar activity which is likely to result in UK winter temperatures more like those at the end of the Seventeenth Century."
According to Mike Lockwood, one of the main researchers, the latest winter marks the start of a Maunder minimum - when solar activity falls for a prolonged time.
The sun's magnetic field is thought to influence the jet stream - a fast-moving, high altitude current of air which moves eastwards at 35,000ft over the Atlantic.
During the famously cold winters of the late 1600s the mild westerly winds were blocked and replaced by much colder blasts from the north-east - bringing Arctic conditions with them.
The link between weaker solar activity and cold winters was made after experts found similarities between early weather records and this year's data.
"This year's winter in the UK has been the fourteenth coldest in the last 160 years and yet the global average temperature for the same period has been the fifth highest," said Prof Lockwood, a space physicist at the University of Reading's department of meteorology. "We have discovered that this kind of anomaly is significantly more common when solar activity is low," he added. "Temperatures should not fall as low as they did in 1684 but we can expect an increased number of cold winters."
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Steve
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Re: Miserable news in the Telegraph

Time for the Sheepskin coat and Fox Fur Scarf Cry
scootie
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Re: Miserable news in the Telegraph

took there time to report on this as bbc had a program on last year about the impact of the suns hot spots on are climate. looking for this programs name has brought to light this better article on the subject in the independent http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-missing-sunspots-is-this-the-big-chill-1674630.html
Denzil
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Re: Miserable news in the Telegraph

This doesn't mean global warming isn't happening, of course Smiley. Although it is rather perverse that warming of the atmosphere as a whole can lead to colder weather here.
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My memory of the statements made by the experts on global weather, a long time ago, indicated that while the overall global situation was for a general rise in temperatures, UK could expect a much more turbulent pattern with increases in the range of temperatures ie. higher and lower, together with stronger winds at times. Too much emphasis has been placed on the warming aspect, an increase in droughts and desertisatation in some places is a more likely outcome. These aspects are becoming evident now.
Winter woollies may become much more fashionable!
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So who do you believe? This report seems to suggest that solar activity is actually increasing!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article7012205.ece
And this one looks at Lockwood's previous work and suggests that there is no link at all, in fact it might be negative!
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Svensmark-Friis-Christensen-rebut-Lockwood-solar-paper.html
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And that’s before the Gulf Stream closes down owing to North American ice sheet melting and reducing the salinity of the North Atlantic  Sad
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Re: Miserable news in the Telegraph

If it lasts a year or two it's called weather, not climate.
Trust the Daily Torygraph to get it wrong. Roll eyes

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don't you mean weather cycle. this planets climate has all ways changed since its birth, why just because us apes are having are short moment in this planets life would the climate cycle decide its time to become static and give the weather men/women a easy job.
get with the times, we are here and just as fragile as the dinosaurs was. enjoy the planet why we are enjoying humans short period of history on it. its 100% sure bet at some point in the future we will be wiped out or even earth is wiped out.
stop worrying and enjoy what will be are legacy to history while it lasts
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We are doing our best to bring on catastrophic global warming.
Only a few decades more and we will be pretty much done in.

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Only if you believe the alarmist worst case scenarios which are only backed up by dubious computer simulations.
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And satellite pictures of a fast disappearing North polar ice cap?
Or perhaps tree ring data over the last few thousand years?
Or perhaps you want to wait until the excrement hits the fan. Smiley

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You mean the ice cap which is recovering from the 2007 low point which it is now accepted was largely due to an unusual wind pattern
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
You mean the tree ring date which has been totally discredited. Perhaps you didn't read about the "Hide the decline" scandal where the problem was that the tree ring data didn't show the rise in temperatures since 1960 - see picture. If it doesn't match the temperature increase from1960 to 2000 what gives you any confidence it was accurate during the Medieval Warm Period or the Roman Warm Period
Here is a recent paper http://www.co2science.org/data/mwp/studies/l1_makassarstrait.php
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Oppo et al. derived a continuous sea surface temperature (SST) reconstruction from the Indo-Pacific Warm Pool (IPWP), which they describe as "the largest reservoir of warm surface water on the earth and the main source of heat for the global atmosphere." This history -- which was based on δ18O and Mg/Ca data obtained from samples of the planktonic foraminifera Globigerinoides ruber found in two gravity cores, a nearby multi-core (all at 3°53'S, 119°27'E), and a piston core (at 5°12'S, 117°29'E) that were recovered from the Makassar Strait on the Sulawesi margin -- spans the past two millennia and, as they describe it, "overlaps the instrumental record, enabling both a direct comparison of proxy data to the instrumental record and an evaluation of past changes in the context of twentieth century trends." Reconstructed SSTs were, in their words, "warmest from AD 1000 to AD 1250 and during short periods of first millennium." From the authors' Figure 2b, adapted below, we calculate that the Medieval Warm Period was about 0.4°C warmer than the Current Warm Period.

Remember Prof. Jones in an interview with the BBC admitted that the Medieval Warm Period existed and may have seen higher temperatures than the present http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8511670.stm
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G - There is a debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) was global or not. If it were to be conclusively shown that it was a global phenomenon, would you accept that this would undermine the premise that mean surface atmospheric temperatures during the latter part of the 20th Century were unprecedented?
There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia. For it to be global in extent the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern Hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions.
Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today (based on an equivalent coverage over the NH and SH) then obviously the late-20th century warmth would not be unprecedented. On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but was less warm that today, then current warmth would be unprecedented.
We know from the instrumental temperature record that the two hemispheres do not always follow one another. We cannot, therefore, make the assumption that temperatures in the global average will be similar to those in the northern hemisphere.

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Oh dear.
A Global Warming Denier.
Denier is a measure of the thickness of silk/nylon. Grin

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Personally I like a nice cold winter, log fires, warming stews, plenty of frost to keep the bugs in the garden down, but I pity the poor, especially when the cuts start to bite, still, the rest of us will be alright, we can afford to heat our homes or jet off for a bit of sun on the other side of the world.