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Meningitis Vaccine

Is it right that profits and shareholders are placed ahead of children's' lives.
I ask this in response to the current negotiations regarding the Meningitis B vaccine.
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This is a difficult question. The vaccine will have cost many millions to develop and these costs must be recouped in order to invest in further development. Hopefully the manufacturer and the Dept of Health will resolve the problem and make it possible for the vaccine to be made available.
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I cannot see why the developers and the NHS/Regulator cannot get common ground. It seems that a factor of ten difference cannot be justified.
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This is a difficult question. The vaccine will have cost many millions to develop and these costs must be recouped in order to invest in further development. Hopefully the manufacturer and the Dept of Health will resolve the problem and make it possible for the vaccine to be made available.

not true, the vaccine was developed by the meningitis research foundation funded entirely from charity donations !
any and all associated costs with making the vaccine are less than 10p per dose there is not R&D to recover!
its pure greed by the pharmaceutical company and is very similar to the all the cancer drug costs, the vast majority of which were discovered by charity based research groups then given to the big company to manufacture in large quantities and distribute, they make thousands per treatment on all the drugs in the range because they don't actually fund the research into them.
furthermore many of the pharmaco's will make large donations to the research charity(s) that they write off as a tax deductible loss against that years profits (so it was cheaper to give it to the charity than pay it to the tax man) in a licence negotiation which means they make profit out of tax avoidance !!!
naïve people believe the companies do the research and deserve to make a profit out of sales, educated people understand this is a myth spread by marketing advisors to increase the amount of money they can make in their never ending pursuit of other peoples cash !
just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you
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not true, the vaccine was developed by the meningitis research foundation funded entirely from charity donations !

Source?
Novartis discovered and developed Bexsero®, (Meningococcal Group B Vaccine [rDNA, component, adsorbed]), the first and only vaccine to help protect all age groups against this disease. Bexsero was approved in Europe and Australia and approvals in other countries are expected soon. Novartis is collaborating with the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and University of California, Santa Barbara to make Bexsero available to members of the UCSB community as recommended by the CDC.

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any and all associated costs with making the vaccine are less than 10p per dose there is not R&D to recover!

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Bexsero is the result of more than 20 years of pioneering research in vaccine development.
https://www.novartisvaccines.com/downloads/meningococcal-disease/Infographic_Bexsero_R&D_Timeline_v_...
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Looking at the Meningitis Research Foundation  funding it states £17m invested over in 140 research projects since 1989
This is completely inadequate to fund any vaccine development program so that statement that they funded it all is totally wrong
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The list cost of the vaccine is £75. The NICE quality of life assessment values the vaccine at £9. This is where the problem lies (although the NHS will be able to buy the vaccine a lot cheaper than £75 I would expect).
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Am I correct in assuming that the NICE quality of life assessment value considers only the benefit to the patient and works from that to a price which takes no account of the actual production/development cost
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It would be impossible to answer the follow ing question but had the government paid £75 and the vaccine had been given a year ago how many babies lives w ould have been saved and how much is it going to cost the government in the long term for those babies who have suffered brain damage or disabled in some way.
I am all for the government keeping costs down but how many non health proje cts has the government funded in the past only to see the price doubled or even trebled, or worse still being scrapped after many millions have been spent on it.
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@AndyH, thank you for your interesting link. It seems this has little to do with NICE but the  Joint Committee on Vaccinations and Immunisation, a separate body.
It is a difficult problem with the cost of new drugs being so high. The government has a responsibility to ensure our money is spent wisely and this has to be balanced with the benefit to patients who would gain from these drugs. A judgement of Solomon!
I am waiting for Nanotm's source of his information. It seems to be contradictory to the facts we have so far Wink 
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@gleneagles
from the original link 1870 cases per year of whom about 187 die and approx 420 have long term problems - how many cases the vaccine would prevent isn't known although this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11487294/Childrens-lives-at-risk-from-delay-to-meningiti... claims 100 deaths would be prevented
Cost of vaccination based upon 700,000 births per year and 90% takeup with 3 doses per child makes 1.89 million doses at £75 is £141.75 million which why the cost has to come down and if it reduces to £9 then the annual cost would be £17 million
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It isn't an easy call. Cost has to be a factor at some stage. Also, this vaccine hasn't been proved effective yet - it might not be.
Taking the figures from the link given by Oldjim, if the cost comes down to £9, which it won't do, the cost per patient would be around £38,000.  NICE quality of life assessment seem happy with this calculation but not any more.
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I wonder which services would be recommended, by those in favour, to be cut to fund the Meningitis jab at the £75 price?
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I'm sure you could easily fund it by increasing the duties on tobacco.