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MPs To Get Pay Rise

MPs are to be given an 11% pay rise if recommendations  by IPSA are accepted on Thursday. . This will take their salaries from £66,396 to £74,000. Some of their other benefits are to be reviewed.
Whilst I agree their present salary is low and needs to be improved it is the wrong time to be giving rises of this level.
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I thought the Sunday Times (who seem to have got this story first) had a silly headline - all about an Angry Response.
But the only people who could respond were the journalists writing the story!  Crazy
What, papers making things up? Never!  Grin
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There was a response to the news from Downing Street last night. 
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Whilst I agree their present salary is low and needs to be improved it is the wrong time to be giving rises of this level.

Sorry but that's a lot of money for just talking. What executive power has an MP got to make decisions and implement them? They are just a middle man between their constituents and local councils/companies and parliament.
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The BIG problem is where fools lead quick, bigger fools follow quicker. In other words, your local fat cat councillors will be voting themselves a minimum rise of 10% for 2014 and using your council tax to fund it.
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So they don't have the power to block it ? Pull the other leg, they can involve us in Wars or spend our money how they see fit but don't have the power to block this rise.
Most speak against it but will still take it.
Many people would think it wrong to double the state pension but if they did few would refuse it !!
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When the IPSA was set up it was set up to be totally independent of Parliament and not accountable to them for its decisions.  This was done to keep MPs pay at arms-length and freed them from having to debate and approve any increases. I think in the past IPSA has recommended a much smaller increase which MPs were not happy with but had to accept.
All three party leaders have condemned ther increase at this time - rightly so IMO.
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According to the BBC news the net cost is actually zero as the increased pay is offset by hugely increased pension deductions.
Another case of selective reporting to make a story from nothing and generate outrage? What from our noble, free and honest press?  Crazy
Remember, large sections of the press are at war with the politicians at present, especially over the response to Leveson.  Lips are sealed
I'll reserve judgement until I have a full set of facts to ponder.
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As the employers of MPs the public should be able to see their time sheets  and performance records on voting.
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So they don't have the power to block it ? Pull the other leg, they can involve us in Wars or spend our money how they see fit but don't have the power to block this rise.
Most speak against it but will still take it.
Many people would think it wrong to double the state pension but if they did few would refuse it !!

they actually created IPSA specifically so they couldn't block or change anything it decided on as a way of making everything transparent, sadly they messed up when they allowed it to have irrevocable pay increase decisions, the bloke in charge of IPSA was on the box last night explain in why he believed they current pay rise was correct and clearly doesn't care a fig for the public thoughts on the matter,
as for various pension, the starting amount hasn't actually changed by much in 20 years (compared with inflation over the same period) so whilst you might view it as wrong many would see it as long overdue, similarly with various other benefits, 20 years ago a gent I knew received £500 a month for having a war pension with identical claim percentage and extra's as I now get, the cost of living in the same time has doubled yet the pension hasn't even gone up by half....sure there have been meagre % increases, of course back then there was no such thing as tax credits, now there used to offset the costs of how big a gap there is between being unable to survive off the tiny amounts dished out under schemes which are supposed to provide enough to live off and how much it costs to actually live...
yet its seen as politically ill advised to scrap tax credits/pension credits and just increase the state benefits that's its covering for partly because you would loose a hundred thousand jobs and partly because half the people getting those benefits don't need the increase (because they are well off enough not to need the credit top ups).

now as for the mp's pay, its rather stupid to have the people in charge of running the country paid the lowest public salaries, this was in the past offset by the extraordinary expenses they could claim  which made the job attractive, now of course they have removed the wanton ability to claim for everything and anything, so now the pay needs to go up, but since the previous administration removed all pay regulation there is no longer a concern of maintaining a gap of 22x the lowest salary = the highest salary (kind of fortunate given some of the public sector pay awards dwarf that of MP's)  so upping what should be the top tier wages (but of course there not) is no longer a problem driven by the amounts paid to the lowest civil servant, perhaps if pay regulations were brought back in certain industries would see there pay packets achieve realistic rates, failing that maybe they would start paying the lower rung staff realistic wages instead ...
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There is a suggestion that MP's do the job at lower salaries than they could get outside for their devotion to the public good rather than filling their pockets.
That beggars two questions;
1) do they really? If they're not doing it for the money, what are they doing it for?
2) could they (some) actually qualify for a better paying job outside politics?#
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in answer to the second many already have gone on to far better paid jobs outside politics, one politician a few years ago announced they were leaving parliament because they had been offered a job with a salary ten times higher than the then current pay of MP's
never mind that a fair few politicians are taking a career break (which in a few cases ended up being far longer than initially planned) in order to stand in parliament ....
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1) do they really?

If you mean, do they really fill their pockets?  Then, hell yes!  Many Labour MPs are paid by Unions while many Conservatives are paid by private companies.
Which IMO, is totally wrong.  MPs are elected to represent the interests of their consituents, not the interests of unions or private companies.  Paying money in return for political favours is the very definition of corruption .. except in law: apparently legally, if you simply rename a 'bribe' a 'contribution' and blur cause and effect ever so slightly, it somehow makes it all fine .. but that's what happens when the corrupt make the laws.
Disillusion with politics has been increasing for decades: raising MP's salaries while freezing or tightly restraining those of other people in the public sector is not going to help.
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If they're not doing it for the money, what are they doing it for?

Well, if you believe what they all claim, they're doing their bit pushing the ideas that are best for the country.  It's mere happy coincidence that, in their opinion, their own financial interests and those of their close friends happen to precisely match the interests of the country - like when the Tories cut taxes for the rich while raising them for everyone else.
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when did this tax on the poor only occur ?
sure they put certain taxes back to where they should of been, they changed the tax rate for people who earned over a certain amount from 40 to 45% instead of the pre programmed rise from 40 to 50% (the much vaunted tax cut when in reality the rate wasn't due to be implemented for another 12 months on the day it was slashed and immediately implemented)
and far from raising taxes on the poor they raised the tax free earning threshold by a huge amount (over 5k increase in 3 years) meaning everyone pays less tax particularly the poorest who need the money the most ....

aside from those major adjustments they haven't done anything spectacular, sure there was the spare room rate reduction that was made national (instead of just being used by a few councils) and they fixed the maximum rate reduction at 25% instead of following a certain council's lead which charged 25% for each "spare room" , they even allowed people to be excluded from this rate reduction if they fall into certain groups or could prove a requirement in accordance with the rules or even better if those in under occupancy opted to move into a more suitable property they were exempted from the reductions whilst they find someone to swap with ....
still a lot of people are still under the impression that those who subsist purely on benefits deserved far greater income cuts than those effected thus far, yet they simultaneously added the rights of those on low incomes to be able to receive help at a far higher rate than ever before so that it actually pays a lot to be in employment instead of working out that your substantially worse off working than claiming....
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