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Local councils to be given power to ban peaceful protests

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Local councils to be given power to ban peaceful protests

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Just seen this:
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UK local councils to be given power to ban peaceful protests - report
As the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill passes through British parliament, campaign groups warn it is “shockingly open-ended” and could prevent peaceful demonstrations, as well as forbid youngsters from skateboarding or using local parks.
Councils are being granted the contentious new powers under the grounds that any activity that annoys nearby residents will be criminalized, the Independent reported.
Contained within a little-noticed section of the bill are public spaces protection orders (PSPOs), which are meant to give local town halls the power to tackle anti-social drinking, aggressive begging, and dog-fouling, in certain areas. The Home Office has insisted that it will stop certain urban areas from being turned into “no-go zones.”
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Re: Local councils to be given power to ban peaceful protests

Forgive me but, I have difficulty in having any problem with any of that.
 
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Re: Local councils to be given power to ban peaceful protests

So when the council are set to approve the building a waste incineration plant next door to your house you are happy to be banned from quietly standing outside the council buildings to lobby the councillors as they go in to the meeting?
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Re: Local councils to be given power to ban peaceful protests

I suspect this might be a byproduct of problems surrounding the "occupy" protest outside St Pauls Cathedral.
Mostly peaceful - but highly disruptive to other members of the public going about their lives nearby.
Then there are/were the group of Eastern Europeans "occupying" green spaces in Park lane, London.........

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Trouble is this could also slip towards banning any form of protest. Slowly our rights are being quashed. If you don't have money, you're not important kind of thing.
This country worries me when it does things like this. David Cameron is always babbling on about doing the right thing and ending political correctness and red tape but he's introducing more of it than the labour mob did.
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Public protests whether 'peaceful' or otherwise can cost large amounts of public money and resources.
I would prefer to see other means employed to get across a message.  
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I would prefer to see other means employed to get across a message.  

Such as?
If you don't disrupt things the big people don't take notice. I know its a bit of an old fashioned idea but its still effective.
Internet campaigns are next to useless IMO. When the fuel petition hit 100k the ministers did everything they could to try and avoid it. Granted they did eventually give it time but they didn't want to.
The only other thing that ever puts pressure on the government of the day is the media and they're having their hands tied now too!
So Strat, what other means do you have in mind?
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38degrees has been pretty effective - which is why they tried to rush through a bill before anyone noticed which would stop campaigning on particular topics in the run up to an election!
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It must be Home Office legislation. They always manage to draft laws totally disproportionate to the problem they want to cure. A bit like using a felling axe to remove a splinter.
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It's not the peaceful protests that need banning, it's the cultist marches by extremist idiots like the EDL and the BNP that need to be banned. IMHO.
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problem is tat in order to declare them unlawful you must also be able to declare any other protest unlawful.....
the use of the powers will be the true test as to wither they are appropriate, but suffice to say they will most definably be used to prevent further trouble like the riots back in 2011, bear in mind that loitering used to be a crime years ago, 2 months after it was repealed stalking started to be become a problem and its only taken 20 years to revert back into loitering being a criminal act.
protesting can be useful but mobs of idiots blocking off access to various areas and chanting are anything but peaceful, I for one would have no problem with designated protest zones being established just like designated skate parks, recriminalizing actions that are by nature antisocial is only a problem for socialists who seem to feel its there god given right to hold everyone to ransom until there demands are met, an end to such hostile and terrorising acts is long overdue, although to be fair I'm more surprised the liberals didn't prevent this from being enacted.....
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it looks to be "could" "may be". however the truth is we don't live in a democracy and what looks to be happening is system is being put in place to curtail peoples rights,without definition.
Much of what we hear regarding europe is complete propaganda,EU laws give the general public rights and don't discriminate. given the treatment of the sick/disabled and those on low incomes what we are witnessing is an emergence of perhaps the most dangerous government for some years.
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you should go read some of the idiotic junk that the EU spits out week on week, 90% of it is discriminatory some of it might be positive discrimination against certain groups or ethnicities but it is also negative against the native population.
they don't give rights to anyone other than the right to be taxed at unfairly high prices to pay for other parts of the EU to indulge themselves....

before we had the EU directives enacted without discussion in our own parliament we had bills of rights, racial discrimination laws and everything worked, then we get bombarded with crap from the EU and suddenly all our own countries laws are repealed and in there place are all these crazy crap from EU that not a single English person voted on, hell no other country in the EU even bothers with it unless it benefits them just wholesale ignore all the stuff they don't like, that's why this country is going down the toilet nothing to do with re-enacting laws that were repealed as part of labours time pumping out over 3000 changes to the uk legal system without even a public consultation (like how the chancellor just summarily decided that he would steal everyone's pension pot, then make the average person worse off if they saved in a pension scheme of any description)
if only UKIP had any real policies for governance they might actually be worth a vote, but they seem to be offering little more than a referendum to get out of the European Soviet Socialist Republic, they even tried to pass a dictate that would abolish nobility across Europe (only the Germans weren't having any of it) if stupid rules were produced by elected officials (MEP's) rather than self important technocrats they would have at least some validity but for some reason best known to Blair he signed away the ability to be governed by laws created by elected parliament(s) in favour of dictatorial edicts issued by unknown grey men as law no matter how stupid or destructive to daily business it might be without recourse to reject it, just look at the sheer stupidity over allowing criminals serving a sentence to have a vote, that's sheer lunacy!
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nano if you actually used full stops and capital letters you might make some points that could be understood.
As it is, it just seems to be one rather long ramble that seems to be incoherently mumbling about anything possible.
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you should go read some of the idiotic junk that the EU spits out week on week, 90% of it is discriminatory some of it might be positive discrimination against certain groups or ethnicities but it is also negative against the native population

You really shouldn't believe the BS you read in the Mail and the Murdoch press  Roll eyes
Here's a good idea: apply a simple BS check.  Ask yourself, is something so absurd really likely to be true?  (Hint: the answer's almost always "no - don't be ridiculous").
The EU is far from perfect but it remains the single greatest political innovation of the second half of the 20th century.
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suddenly all our own countries laws are repealed

Err .. no they weren't  Roll eyes
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and in there place are all these crazy [Censored] from EU that not a single English person voted on

Actually, yes they did  Roll eyes
EVERYTHING is agreed by our government representatives on the Council of MInisters before it can go into force.  In some limited areas there is majority voting, but that's called democracy and I think we all agree with Churchill that while it's the worst form of government, it's better than all the others.
It's also worth noting that, while most of what the press writes about the EU is flat out lies, when it does report something apparently ridiculous but true, it's very often something the BRITISH government pushed for, e.g. straight cucumbers.
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how the chancellor just summarily decided that he would steal everyone's pension pot, then make the average person worse off if they saved in a pension scheme of any description

That is true, but it's also absolutely nothing to do with europe: that was your British, elected representatives, all by themselves - y'know the war criminals who took us into a disasterous war in Iraq against the advice of all the other senior members of the EU?
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European Soviet Socialist Republic, they even tried to pass a dictate that would abolish nobility across Europe (only the Germans weren't having any of it)

Actually, that would have been absolutely excellent - if there was even the tiniest grain of truth in it at all.
Which there isn't  Roll eyes
Again, you need to get your BS filter up and running Grin
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if stupid rules were produced by elected officials (MEP's) rather than self important technocrats they would have at least some validity

Partly true: it would be way better if MEPs actually had some power as they are supposed to be the democratic element of the EU set up.  The problem is, the national governments won't allow them any power as national governments are made up of politicians, i.e. control freaks incapable of giving up power willingly, no matter how clear the rationale.  
You also have to remember that the EU is a fantastic scapegoat for national politicians: pretty much any necessary but unpopular measure can easily be blamed on Europe - and since no-one takes much notice of what happens in Europe and there are anti-EU nutters prepared to write any old balloney in the press, they all get away with it.
As for the technocrats, they can only advise and make proposals, before anything becomes law it has to be agreed by the Council of Ministers - that is, representatives of the national governments.  What that means is, all the nonsense you blame on the EU?  It's actually all the fault of the national governments.  Every last bit.