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Minivanman
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Line rental.

Read this rather interesting argument earlier. Any views guys? 

https://conversation.which.co.uk/technology/why-pay-for-phone-line-rental-fibre-optic-broadband-bt-s...

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Re: Line rental.

FTTC uses the phone line so line rental is applicable 

 

FTTP uses optical cable to the premises so there is an argument

 

But PN FTTP is still a trial so they start off continuing to charge for the copper connection although there are examples on these fora where the phone connection has been discontinued by PN on request 

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Re: Line rental.

Yes thats a old page 2012 a bit out of date , But the argument is still relevant .

I never use my landline , its only there so i can use FTTC and dont agree with paying full price for only part service .

There should be a way of separating the Phone from broadband line rental , so if you dont want the phone you only pay a percentage of the line rental !! Thumbs Up

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Re: Line rental.

even with FTTP there is still a "line" to maintain, it just happens to not be copper so line rental technically would still be applicable.

should the fibre link break between your house and the exchange is still needs repaired.
if you're not paying a line rental that contributes to the maintenance then what happens when a repair is required?
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Re: Line rental.

Hmm, why does this remind me of paying road toll charges.

Maybe it's time for the 'sisters of rebecca' to put in another appearance Wink

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/history/sites/themes/society/politics_rebecca_riots.shtml

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Ah another piece on technology from Which?  Say no more.  For a consumer affairs organisation's they are very poor about getting things right / being clear on the story.

One way or another there is a cost in providing the circuit to the premises.  It has to be paid for.  With the public expectation that BROADBAND should be 'free' or cheaper than chips (and some of the current deals are cheaper than a portion of chips from the local chippy) without a 'line charge' (incorrectly though of as a 'phone' line) just how do people think the cost of the connection is going to be paid for.

...oh I forgot, you all want someone else to cover the cost!  If you don't want to pay for a 'phone' line then try doing your internet over your phone - the cost of that really will make your eyes water.

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Whatever your view of Which, at least it puts discussions into the public domain. As for paying for a service, I have no problem with that but you must admit the current system is questionable. Why are they separated out? You pay for petrol at the garage..... but you'll also be charged for the road to get you there. This is not just an argument from an individual either, it is something that is being hotly debated in government circles as well.

Time for change, time for some sense and certainly time for fairness. 

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well with the petrol analogy
you need to pay for tax, insurance and have a valid MOT to be able to drive to get the petrol.
you can't use the petrol in a car without those other 3 costs.
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Re: Line rental.

That insight makes things much clearer.

Those who don't think they should pay line rental must be the same people who think they should not have to pay car insurance because they've never had an accident ... or believe the obligation applies to them.

Yes I exaggerate - the infrastructure has to be paid for, irrespective of how it is (or is not) used.  The first step shoild be to change the terminology from 'phone' line to 'communications services access' line.

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OK, let me ask you this. Do you think the internet is an essential service - and not just any old 'steam driven' low speed service, but one that provides a reliable connection at a fair price.

Posters here keep going back to the "something for nothing" argument and that is not the case. Happy to pay, even happier to receive. 

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Re: Line rental.

essential service? no
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Essential means unable to live without it.

Convienient - yes; essential no!

Even as more and more government stuff goes on line, there is nothing approaching 'essential' that needs more than 2mbps.  Granted, there are lots of desirables which benefit from double-digit megabit speeds, but none of it is essential.

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Not essential?

Then I disagree totally and I suspect, so will many more. What else I wonder do you regard as non essential - health care, roads, telephone, water supply, a decent bus service. How about gas and/or electric?

Like it or not, a reliable internet service at a fair price is essential in this day and age and I cannot imagine how anybody would disagree with that.  

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Suggest to look up and reconsider the definition of the word. Ticked off

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can you live life without internet access? yes you can, thus it's not essential.

health care - yes essential
roads - yes essential
telephone - no
water supply - yes essential
a decent bus service - no

i don't think you've answered the question yet.. what do you deem a "fair" price?