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Learner drivers: Plan to include lessons on motorways

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Learner drivers: Plan to include lessons on motorways

Sounds like a good idea, it's just plain daft and dangerous in my opinion to allow new drivers onto motorways straight after taking their tests. Maybe it should be in three parts rather than the current two and consist of theory, practical, and motorway components?

Different in my day of course as there was only the less than half empty M1 to contend with once I'd been less loose!   

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Re: Learner drivers: Plan to include lessons on motorways

Great idea (NOT!). There are enough idiots on the motorway without scaring learners with them.
Also, from here it would be a 2 hour drive to get to a motorway (1hr e/w) and since the test only lasts 40min (or so)
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Re: Learner drivers: Plan to include lessons on motorways

We already have learner drivers on the motorway or to put it another way those who have never learned to drive in the first place.

It's one thing to teach people to drive on roads where they are unlikely to exceed 30 - 40 MPH but quite another where the limit is 70 mph. sure you can drive slower than that but if you do it can be quite dangerous,  not convinced ? then just try it.

Once someone has passed their test it should be compulsory for a further 3 or 4 lessons to be taken on the motorway with a driving instructor present to advise on motorway driving and in particular joining motorways from a sliproad, distance between car in front, etc

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Re: Learner drivers: Plan to include lessons on motorways

I agree on all points there, especially on trying to drive slower although even at 70 there is always somebody trying to make it up your rear. Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't as going at my usually preferred 50, I get stuck behind a truck doing 40.

Fortunately we do not have any motorways here in west Wales so I rarely find myself on one..... and just as well some might say! 

 

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Re: Learner drivers: Plan to include lessons on motorways

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So how are learners supposed to get motorway skills?

You could argue that if you want to learn to fly then go to an airport. Distance to your nearest motorway should not be an issue if safety for themselves and others (that's me and you Wink) is paramount.

Personally, I try to avoid the damn things these days. Too many cars, too many idiots.

 

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Re: Learner drivers: Plan to include lessons on motorways

So what is the difference between driving on a motorway and a dual carriageway

Dual carriageways often have slip roads for joining and leaving and at least parts of our motorways only have two lanes (M3 near Basingstoke as an example)

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'Various other differences, including being able to turn right onto and off a dual carriageway. You cant drive a tractor, or some other slow moving vehicles on motorways. Junctions on a motorway are numbered, and all signs are blue; whereas on dual carriageways all signs are green' 

Different speed restrictions for different vehicles as well. Thumbs Up

 

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Re: Learner drivers: Plan to include lessons on motorways

In Sheffield we have the Sheffield Parkway going from the centre of the city out to the M1.

It is as near as you can get to being a motorway without being called one.

Learner drivers can practice motorway driving on it quite legally.

 

I always think of motorway driving as easier.

Everyone is going in the same direction (usually).

No roundabouts, 'T' junctions or crossroads and nice big uncluttered signs to help you reach your destination.

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They can practice their emergency stops on motorways.

I had to do that once where the A1(M) became the plain A1.

Very scary!

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Always puzzled me that emergency stop procedure as surely you are not driving with due care and attention?

I'm as daft as anybody I guess but I tend to drive at the very least two or three car lengths away from the vehicle in front, and far more than that on a motorway and/or at higher speeds.

Easier out here in the country I know, and I'm somebody who remembers when driving round that north and south circular in London was the only nightmare option. You wake up from that, and find yourself on the M25! 

 

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I'm surprised there aren't more accidents on motorway exit slip-roads.

When I've been driving on the M1 northbound for 3 hours at around 70 and I come off at junction 29 heading up to the roundabout I'm slowing down but 50 feels like 30.

I am approaching the roundabout at what feels like a crawl but is actually 30 and I'm braking hard.

I have in the past attempted to exit the M25 at a junction where the slip road was full back to the motorway and that's scary.

I was driving a flat back lorry and the tail end was a foot onto the carriageway and I had nowhere to go.

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Re: Learner drivers: Plan to include lessons on motorways


VileReynard wrote:

They can practice their emergency stops on motorways.

I had to do that once where the A1(M) became the plain A1.

Very scary!


That road is is extremely scary around the area I mostly drive (West Yorkshire /North Yorkshire) farm fields on both sides of the road and tractors turning on and off it and crossing it.    

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Re: Learner drivers: Plan to include lessons on motorways

There are numerous country roads/lanes that twist and turn with high fences on either side making them dangerous for motorists, cyclists and pedestrains.

I guess in years gone by they were simple tracks that existed long before motorised vehicles and when used as roads no effort was made to straighten them out or was impossible to do for a variety of reasons, safety was not really a consideration in the early days of cars.

Fortunately records are now kept on the most accident prone roads and action taken to reduce the number of accidents.

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I am still of the belief that those who have just passed their test should be restricted to non-motorway driving for the  first 6 months to a year while experience can be gained.

 

As mentioned above there are many dual carriageways where experience of driving at greater speeds can be achieved and many of these have more turns off's plus lay-bys to get a welcome break.

 

I passed my test on a Tuesday and got my first car the next day (Ford Escort MkIII) and on the Saturday was driving down to see my girlfriend in Southampton using the M25/M3. I seem to remember coming off the M25 on to the A25 at some point as I found it a tad scary at times. I never went above 50 and found that speed to be more daunting without an instructor with dual controls next to me. It didn't take long for me to build up confidence and I never took risks. But, at 30 when I passed my test, I was older and wiser than many of the 17 -20 year-olds who have just passed.

 

 

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Re: Learner drivers: Plan to include lessons on motorways

I remember the first time my instructor took me on a dual carriageway (without notice) that had a 70mph limit. We were going round this long bend and suddenly he starts saying "faster, faster, go faster - put your foot down we're going onto a dual carriageway and need to be doing at least 60 - GO FASTER"

 

I was absolutely terrified. I'd never done 40 yet alone 60. That was a dual carriageway. I certainly wouldn't have been capable of a motorway journey and would probably have caused an accident purely through nerves alone.

 

This is not a good idea.

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