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Latest anti porn rules being debated in Parliament

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Latest anti porn rules being debated in Parliament

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2016/10/mps-consider-law-forcing-uk-isps-block-adult-websites.h...

One thing which is worrying is the broad brush wording

Mind you the above assumes that the law would remain restricted to porn, but the proposal vaguely defines “adult-only content” as “material that contains offensive and harmful material from which persons under the age of 18 are protected“.

So where does that leave games related sites where there is a PEGI 18 rating and you need to input a date of birth to view the content

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Sounds like Net Nannies again Sad

All they have to do is get ISP customers to decide weather to Opt in or out of adult content !  and should not be blocked by default

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The internet is not a babysitter, parents need to make sure that they take responsibility for what their children do over their connections that they pay for, not screw everyone else over because they can't be bothered to look after their "whoops I forgot the condom" results...

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Not all parents are capable though are they. I personally think that ISPs should offer software that allows adult sites to be blocked. Ok some might do that at the isp level but it's no good blocking everything for the whole family if you got adults in the house who do want access to it.

A customised DNS solution / DHCP server would be rather useful in these circumstances.

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Back when I first got broadband, it was with NTL cable, and they had software which came with the service (mostly to set it up and get it going as it was a modem connected directly to the PC via USB) and could set up parental controls, but after that, it all became plug & play, and responsibility of what was accessed was passed onto the customer...

 

If a parent can't work a computer to keep their kids from accessing pornography, then, maybe they should think twice about either having a computer or having kids, rather than spoiling the web for the rest of us...

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The Problem as I see it is not the cabled or fibre access - that is easy enough to restrict access or set up user controls. It's the access via mobile devices - telephones, tablets etc that is hard to control at end user level.
If a child wants to access porn they will. There Is no stopping them. Much better to educate them.
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Blocking software are Unreliable Sad  some legitimate sites will get blocked , Unless we want to go like China or even worse North Korea !!!!

 

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I think what adults get up to with consenting Giraffes is their business.

 

adult-only content” as “material that contains offensive and harmful material from which persons under the age of 18 are protected

Yes that's far too vague. It will allow those in charge to make it up as they go along. A bit like all the anti-terrorist stuff.

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Like not giving kids sweets I'm getting that parents are opting out of giving their kids access to the internet and I already know of two examples. No facebook no nothing so how are they going to engage with their peers is a good question.

We've created a beast.  

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"from which persons under the age of 18 are protected

 

Here's an aside-thought to ponder, and something that maybe should be discussed in parliament as a related issue. In the United Kingdom, the legal age of consent is 16, therefore, people of the legal age of 16 and 17 whom are allowed to perform "adult acts", are not allowed to view "adult acts", as the legal age for that is 18, so, either the legal age of consent needs to changed upwards to 18, or the age at which someone can watch "adult acts" needs to be lowered to 16.

 

But anyway, plenty of ways to pick holes in the governmental "logic", I can understand there's some pretty disturbing stuff posted on the web, but, ultimately, the majority of it is an act of natural instinct, but, at the same time, it needs to be introduced to them in a controlled manner, and that is where their parents should step in, as it has been for centuries in most cultures with the old "birds and the bees" speech, that is until parents got lazy and used TV, the internet and mobile phones as their nannies and source of all knowledge, and of course, they're telling people who only provide a highway to the internet to put in roadblocks for the "wrong vehicles" because the parents won't take away the keys themselves...

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twocvbloke wrote:

they had software which came with the service (mostly to set it up and get it going as it was a modem connected directly to the PC via USB) and could set up parental controls


Yes but as @rongtw says, blocking software is unreliable - especially if its only installed on one PC.. when the kids have android phones connected to the router (most of which also have pretty naff parental controls).

The real answer (as I mentioned above) is to handle this at the DHCP & DNS level. Tie the two together and when a DNS request is issued for kinkymissmuffet.com (completely made up from the top of my head - no promises it's real lol) then the DNS server looks up in the database the mac address of the requesting device to see if it can or cannot access that url. This then allows the parents to do as they please while restricting the kids devices. Of course that would really mean you'd need a central computer acting as a router / ICS host instead of a small basic router but a Pi could probably do that.

But as pointed out.. that doesn't deal with mobile data that kids can use.. only a low bandwidth allowance would deal with that effectively.

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But as pointed out.. that doesn't deal with mobile data that kids can use.. only a low bandwidth allowance would deal with that effectively.


 

Or have the parents take responsibility for their kids' access to the internet, like not handing them a smartphone the moment they're fired out of the womb... Crazy2

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This may sound a bit obvious , to US non MP,s here ,,,,,,, instead of blocking access to parts of the Internet

Why not spend more time in hunting the weird and dangerous sites AND just shut them down ?Huh
Porn has been around for years before the Internet , TOP shelf out of reach of kids

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As usual though the worse sort of porn never gets a mention.

For me that is the bloody variety. Hangings, beheadings, snuff, messy accidents, and the like.

In my view far more "harmful" to teenagers than a few bouncing boobs.

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Indeed, but is that sort of stuff pornography, sounds more like morbid curiosity to me and let's not forget there are people that have to deal with that sort of stuff all the time in their professional lives.

An interesting debate nevertheless. 

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