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Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

Minivanman
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Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

Despite the tough sounding headline, do the Russians really give a rat's posterior about our navy?

Time to wake up, take stock and realise these guys are the big boys in a totally different ballpark - at least they have a carrier at sea and one with planes on it! 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37725327


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AlaricAdair
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Re: Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

Carriers are just optimistic but vulnerable eggs-in-one-basket targets.

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Re: Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

The Russian carrier although  is Big ,, has a history of breaking down Roll_eyes it has a Tug following it permanently

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Re: Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

Yes, come to think of it, the Royal Navy should have shadowed the Ruski Carrier with a sea-going tug rather than a couple of our frigates. It would have sent a stronger message.

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Re: Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

Or a simple fishing boat with a few dozen ornamental aerials on it.

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Re: Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

Some eggs, some basket.

As said, 'a couple of flies buzzing..... '


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Minivanman
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Re: Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

Otherwise known as support vessels?

Not sure how fast tugs can go but this beast must steam at what, thirty knots?


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They cannot run it at Top speed ,,, it breaks the Engines Cheesy

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Re: Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.


@billnotben wrote:

Or a simple fishing boat with a few dozen ornamental aerials on it.


Nah, just send this Narrowboat instead:

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Re: Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

Most of our newspapers are good at printing daft stories made to look like the truth so a story about a few WW2 mines having been recently found in the English channel might be enough to get them plotting a different route.

I am sure the russian embassy read our papers.

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Re: Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

A frigate and a destroyer in the same place at the same time! Sometimes all we've had available was a River-class patrol boat.

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Re: Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

I can't understand why the English Channel at it's narrowest part is International Waters.

AIUI, Territorial Waters extend 12 nautical miles from the coast (of both England and France), and AFAIK the Channel is less than 24 nautical miles at it's narrowest part at the Strait of Dover, so there is no stretch of International Waters 'down the middle' at that point, thus blocking the two parts of International Waters of the Channel and North Sea from meeting.

So how come the Russians can sail through at will?

 

Edit:  Or are they sailing in the French bit?

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Re: Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

@RobPN There are " rules of the road" at sea... just as on land... the rule at sea is keep right in navigational channels.


The shipping traffic in the English channel is quite intense, and traffic going South from the North sea, will , by default, be nearer to England,  therefore the Russian Aircraft Carrier will also follow this route...

 

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:1/centery:50/zoom:8

 

The linky shows the current traffic in the channel.

 

Regardless of whether it is a Warship, or a Merchant ship, it will comply with the rule of the road, and follow the southbound traffic until it clears the channel. Also just because it is Russian, does not exclude it from using the channel, to go about it`s lawful business, in the same way as any other nationality shipping. Many Russian merchant ships also use the channel.

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Re: Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

@shutter Ok, point taken regarding 'Rules of the Road', but my main query was how come any truly 'International Waters' exist at the narrowest section of the Channel between Dover and Calais?

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Re: Just a couple of flies buzzing around a beehive.

Sorry, Can`t answer that, about "international waters"...