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It is very sad, but why was a 16 year old driving at that time of night?

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It is very sad, but why was a 16 year old driving at that time of night?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-12328109
I feel very much for the parents of these three teenagers.  It is a very tragic accident but also a waste of young lives.
 On Look North this evening a Police Chief said that teenagers should be educated in the dangers of driving cars.  I think the parents/relatives should be educated more in the dangers of allowing 16 yr olds to get behind the wheel of a car.  Also, how come teenagers of those ages were out at that time?
This was the second fatal accident involving teenagers in the last 5 weeks and there are now 6 teenagers dead.
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Re: It is very sad, but why was a 16 year old driving at that time of night?

Never mind the time of night.  He was to young to hold a driving licence  and it was a relatives car
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Re: It is very sad, but why was a 16 year old driving at that time of night?

Maybe it's time to make driving education a compulsory subject in schools?  Kids are taught the dangers of unprotected sex, but not the danger of getting behind the wheel of a 2 ton item travelling at great speeds.  Driving instructors wouldn't have helped these kids (too young to learn unless the driver was disabled), and even if they were 17 an instructor basically teaches you how to pass the test.
I feel for the kids, it's a horrible thing to die at any age, but especially when your whole life is infront of you, however, I ride a motorbike, I'm very aware that kids playing in cars would easily take my life because they don't have the experience, heck, some grown ups who pull out infront of a bike too.  If that car had hit a bike at that speed, the rider would have stood no chance so we really need to educate kids before they get anywhere near a car.  I'd rather my 16 year old niece got pregnant than got behind the wheel of a car and showed off to her friends, although her mother would then kill her so I guess the end result would be the same.
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Re: It is very sad, but why was a 16 year old driving at that time of night?

A very sad incident and a complete waste of young lives.  The families will possibly never get over their loss.
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I don't feel for any of them. The kids knew they were doing wrong breaking the law, the driver was not licensed and couldn't be unless disabled and the parents of him frankly should of taught him the difference between right and wrong. The kids knew what they were doing and they knew the risks. They chose to ignore them and they paid for it. When I was at school we were taught the risks of car driving and how all machines are dangerous etc. Some of us took notice others thought they would be cool or hard if they got into joy riding and generally seemed to think they were invincible to the risks of doing it.
The only ones I feel for are the parents of the other kids who were not driving.. but again they should of taught their kids too.
Sadly, someones car which cost them money now has to be replaced causing them some inconvenience.
I don't know why but people when they're young don't seem to think logically for some reason. I suppose that is what you call growing up.
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It is sad when children ( and lets be honest they were children in adult bodies) die. I honestly believe the car manufacturers are partly to blame. VAVaVooom advertising and cars that travel at 0-60 in 8 seconds, top speed of 90 mph....and that is a basic, in fact any basic car.  the average car someone learns to drive in will do 100mph. WHY? Because we are caught up in a world of 'build a better mousetrap' where everything has to be better/ faster/ smaller/bigger ...etc.
When I started to drive ( God, I sound like my dad - shoot me now! ) you didn't time a 0-60 with a stopwatch, you used a calendar! A top speed of 70Mph was a pipedream. I understand the car was a relatives, and restricting the engine size/performance on learners cars wouldn't help in this case, but it would filter into the awareness of the kids now growing up into the 'barrier pushing' rebellious age and maybe make them hesitate- a bit like the seatbelt laws and mobile phone laws.
car manufacturers should look at what is needed and not at pushing speed and performance and the sexiness of driving. hell, in 20 years time we wont have any petrol anyway.
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It is sad when children ( and lets be honest they were children in adult bodies) die. I honestly believe the car manufacturers are partly to blame. VAVaVooom advertising and cars that travel at 0-60 in 8 seconds, top speed of 90 mph....and that is a basic, in fact any basic car.  the average car someone learns to drive in will do 100mph. WHY? Because we are caught up in a world of 'build a better mousetrap' where everything has to be better/ faster/ smaller/bigger ...etc.

Yup, I couldn't agree more. I also think some kids are too nannied too much and therefore feel invincible and that nothing can harm them. It's a shame because I suspect a lot of them have real potential in life before they start to do daft things.
I drove home from work one day on a main A road and the other side of a little bridge on the route was a car that had obviously hit it very fast and used the bridge as a ramp.. the car had flown off the road and hit a tree on the side of the road. It was a big tree too but the car hit it so hard the tree had gone down too. Massive mess, tons of flowers the next day and I assume a few upset relatives. It doesn't matter how much you tell people not to drink/phone/drug/etc and drive they still seem to think they can do it safely and the law is just an old nag  Roll eyes
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Yup, people feel invincible. The law is set up wrong. They catch someone using a mobile- they fine them £60. to a businessman, thats a legitimate expense. He can probably claim it on his taxes. A better punishment would be immediate confiscation and destruction of the phone and sim card.  they wouldn't do it twice!!
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Fast acceleration is, believe it or not, a safety feature.  If you need to accelerate out of trouble, the ability to get from 50-60 in a few seconds could be the difference between being involved in a crash or not involved.  Supercars (180mph+) shouldn't be driven without specialist training but once trained you can take that car onto a race track or onto an Autobahn and let rip.  Just remember, the UK didn't have a speed limit until someone drove a car down the motorway at 80mph or something, we live in a society of safety first, not responsibility first.  The first thing you are taught when learning to ride a motorbike, drive defensively, treat every car as a car that is going to do something to knock you off your bike, if you see a car waiting to come out of a junction, don't expect that car to wait for you, simple things that put responsibility upon the motorbike driver to be aware of their surroundings.  If I go out and assume the car wanting to pull out has seen me, it's my own fault if it pulls out and I get hit, it's the car drivers fault if he pulls out and I'm aware enough to avoid a crash.
The thing with driving though, it's not something you can learn to be good at, you experience driving, you experience different situations and from experience you become a better (or worse) driver.  If the kid had been 17 and had passed his test, he may still have wrapped the car around the tree simply due to inexperience of driving fast (when he shouldn't have been) which is one of the reasons why insurance for a 17 year old is quite insane.  Fast cars?  High insurance group, an average teenager can't afford a fast car so they end up with an old banger that does 0-60 in 12 seconds with a top speed of 75mph and with that they learn road craft and eventually lower insurance premiums allowing them to get a better car.
But, to say the people whose car was taken are now inconvenienced by it, that's a terrible thing to say, they just lost a relative, the last thing on their mind is the fact their car is now totalled without any insurance to cover it.
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I know it sounds harsh but the point is that they knew the risks of what they were doing and they knew the possible outcome of it. Unfortunately they lost their lives for it. Yes I'm sad there has been a loss of live but at the same time they lost them doing something they knew could have consequences. All drivers do this on a daily basis. The difference being most of us have had lessons, been taught the rules of the road and then gained experience to handle cars over the years. I do however apologise if you or anyone else thought I was being harsh. I do of course always regret that anyone has lost their life prematurely.
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The operative words regarding fast cars are ...Once trained. Which is why I believe we should restrict learners and probation drivers to cetain 'low performance' or even restricted cars.  We already have the legislation in place with mopeds and motorbikes.  Smiley
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In the 70/80's I was involved in the contract sale of commercial vans to the General Post office (telephone and Post one company) the specification was be able to start and climb a steep hill, top speed 60 mph  0 to 30 time - low but not sure now, then whoever got the best fuel consumption out of the submitting firms got the sale of a thousand or more vehicles
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Re: It is very sad, but why was a 16 year old driving at that time of night?

On a purely personal note (no evidence) I would place a great deal of blame on the manufacturers of racing  "games" and "car chase sequences" in films. It does appear that one can have a horrendous crash, get up and start again. Perhaps the games should be so realistic that a crash incapacitates the games console and "car chase sequences" should always show broken bones, spilling intestines, severed heads etc. with no one allowed to get up and just walk away.
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Re: It is very sad, but why was a 16 year old driving at that time of night?

Perhaps one problem for most teenagers is the need to show off in company, something which I suspect many of us have done at that age.
Even as we get older and look back there are things that most of us have done that we wish we could change.
It only takes a few seconds of stupidity to change your life and possibly the lives of others.
It's not just driving that takes lives there is a long list of things from Drugs & Alcohol to killings by gang members.
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I don't think games makers are to blame. We live in a society where everyone else is at fault but ourselves.
Responsibility is with the unfortunate youngsters. We have choices to make in our lives and need to take responsibility for them.
We have to remember how many times innocent bystanders have been maimed and killed due to the actions or others. Thankfully, that didn't happen this time.

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