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Is this planned obsolescence?

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Is this planned obsolescence?

Before SWMBO was taken seriously ill and prevented (voluntarily) from driving any more, she had her own P registered VW Polo. This was placed in SORN, the car was then located free in to a disused lock-up garage. It has remained there largely forgotten and unloved, covered in a patina of asbestos dust (not the dangerous stuff) from the corrugated roof for the last twelve years.
In the last week or so, the ownership of the garage has changed hands, the new owner wanted the garage vacated, there is no problem that I have been using it free for so long fortunately. Not such an easy job as after so long all the brakes are locked solid, and it had two flat tyres, not unnaturally it wouldn't start.
So I arranged with a well known motor recycling (classy name for a scrap yard) outfit to come and get it and do whatever they have to to get rid of it. I wasn't actually around when it was taken away, but I understand it was dragged out by the scruff of the neck as it were. They gave me £20 as scrap value, I was expecting to pay them!!
Whilst waiting in their office in a short queue fot the paper work to be completed, their collection truck pulled into their yard. On the flat-bed were two cars and one on tow. The towed car was an 08 Hyundi, on the back was a 07 Ford Focus and a 57 Ford Ka, all were to be crushed. Making an interested enquiry it seems the Focus and the Hyundi had uneconomic to repair gearbox problems, the Ka was a wrecked engine due to a broken cam belt, also to cost more than the car was worth to repair.
All three of these cars were considerably younger than both of my Toyota's, the staff said that this is nothing unusual they will have four or five collections every day of the week with similar aged vehicles.
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Re: Is this planned obsolescence?

I think I mentioned before that when I take a trip to a scrap yard they seem more like car showrooms now.
With cars newer and better looking than mine.
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Re: Is this planned obsolescence?

or maybe the cars just aren't looked after / serviced much as they should be?
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Re: Is this planned obsolescence?

a lot of it is down to using lower grade metals in the component parts, in the past an engine + gearbox combo would of reasonably been expected to weight in around the 1 tonne mark (1,000kg's) now those same looking combo units are topping the scales at less than half the weight so its only natural that all the gubins inside them is wearing out faster, years ago I crunched a gearbox from 5th to reverse whilst traveling at over 60mph to aid stopping fast, the gearbox mounting studs broke and the gearbox fell off the car but I managed to stop in the rain in under 100 yrds (which was lucky since there was a copper and a broken truck as I came round the bend blocking the road) normally you shouldn't do anything other than strip the reverse gear and of course slow down 3x faster nut that car had weak rusty second hand bolts.....
I know that manoeuvre was taught to people on the specialist driving course (not something mivvies can do) in the past and indeed I had not long completed the course, now they no longer teach that as the gearboxes tend to just disintegrate without providing the stopping torque leaving you effectively dead in the water unable to continue a journey and also probably pancaked into whatever you were trying to avoid smashing into .......
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Re: Is this planned obsolescence?

Thinking about it, 07, 57 and 08 plates would be 7-1/2 to 8-1/2 years old, I remember a time when many a Ford Cortina, Morris Marina etc. of such an age would be rusting away to nothing.
Cars seemed to improve greatly with the introduction of corrosion warranties, maybe the manufacturers then felt they lasted too long and took other measures to limit lifetimes (so ensuring future new sales).
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Nice of you to make a contribution, perhaps next time you can make one that's relevant to the matter being discussed......
And on topic,
This isn't something limited to cars, pretty much everything is now built with a replacement date in mind, even houses are now being built with a rebuild date in mind, 20 years ago things were built to last as long as consumables were available, now you can still get spare parts for stuff from the 50's but often the prices are similar to buying a brand new item, modern " eco houses" are timber frames with cladding, the frames will start falling apart within 50 years ( less than 20 if there are a lot of storms stressing the frame) but older building's last hundreds of years with little more than a bit of repointing and maybe replacing the odd joist... It's just that more people notice the car angle since most drivers started off with a durable old banger with cheap parts and moved on to a modern "eco" vehicle that becomes scrap in less than 5 years....
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Re: Is this planned obsolescence?

About a year ago I disposed of a P reg Vauxhall Sintra. I'd had it secondhand of a garage forecourt where it had been a demonstrator with 60 miles on the clock. It was still running okay but I'd only averaged 3500 miles a year. I'd spotted some corrosion on one of the headlight fittings but apart from that was in good shape. So I guess that was circa 16 years' life. Not bad for a badged USA built mini-van (European Opel engine).  Maybe the newer cars don't last so long, but I've seen nothing to support that assertion.
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Re: Is this planned obsolescence?

I've got a 2009 Hyundai and it's still going strong.
Had to change the battery last year though - apparently they don't repair batteries any more...  Cheesy

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Re: Is this planned obsolescence?

When I scrapped my Laguna a couple of years ago, Cam belt snapped and it wasn't worth a new engine. I got £100 from the scrappy who collected it. I also got all the paperwork from the DVLA saying it had been scrapped properly.
The scrappy also advertises class D insurance writeoff's where you can get a reasonable car if I you can replace a panel and get it re-moted.
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5 years life would totally undermine any claims of "eco" IMO.
My "eco" VW Polo is now nearly 7 years old, like @vilefoxdemonofdoom I've had a new battery but not a lot else (other than fair wear & tear; tyres, brake pads etc.), the car shows little sign of falling apart in any way having covered nearly 90k miles, it appears to have plenty of life left in it.
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Re: Is this planned obsolescence?

I've only done 13,000 miles in 7 years.
No new tyres even.

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Scraped a 1998 Fiesta about a month ago, typical Ford body rot finally killed it & wasn't worth repairing any more, GF got £65 collected from the recycling place, she had certificate of destruction via email next day & DVLA letter within a week  Smiley
My 2003 Peugeot 206 has 106K miles on it now, bodywork is still rust free & mechanically its sound, had it 10+ years now & its cheap motoring.
Got a cheap project 206 for GF last year that I fixed up for her, again 2003 & mechanically its sound even with 116K miles on.
I like simple easy to work on cars with good simple mechanical bits that are cheap to replace if ever needed.
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Speaking of weight, a 1998 Fiesta is 102 KG LIGHTER then a 2003 Peugeot 206, must be all the extra metal strengthening in the body & extra safety equipment that adds on the weight.
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One of my work colleagues had a customer with a 27 year old forklift that required a gearbox seal, this truck has been superseded twice by completely different newer models - he rang the parts department & they could get the part within 48 hours from the factory, result = a happy customer.
Had another customer with a small fleet of old forklifts, this model had been out of production & superseded 15 years ago, Atlas Copco informed us they where going to stop making the electronic control boxed for these forklifts BUT they would make one specially to order with a 21 day lead time if one was ever required.
The manufacturer I work for guarantees parts availability for there forklifts for at least 10 years after a model goes out of production or is superseded.
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Quote from: PowerLee
Scraped a 1998 Fiesta about a month ago, typical Ford body rot finally killed it & wasn't worth repairing any more, GF got £65

£65? She got had! My missus got £120 for her old ford Ka.. everything on it was shot but they still valued it highly at the scrapster. I kid you not.. even the passenger side front wing panel departed the car at one point Shocked At the time of scrapping it, not only did it have burnt carpet from the spanner monkey welding new metal into the chassis and setting the carpet (and wires) alight but it also had a clutch that could barely stir a McFlurry and a whole host of other faults. I think the only good bit left on it was literally the engine and steering wheel. Even the plastic trims used to try to vacate for fear of being seen with the car  Cheesy
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I think I mentioned before that when I take a trip to a scrap yard they seem more like car showrooms now.
With cars newer and better looking than mine.

Thats certainly the case at my local scrappy too. Last time I went down there I was shocked at the standard of cars they had and eventually realised I had no hope in hell of finding anything for mine.. unless the yard owner was going to break his personal car (same as mine) and he's refused to do that for the last 3 years despite not using it since 2009  Crazy
I do find it a shame though that so many new cars go to scrap just because of a snapped cambelt etc. It seems pointless to write off a car just for a shot metal lump - especially when someone else has probably sent in the same model the week before with a good engine but trashed back end - and instead of making one good car from the two they'll both end up in the pot  Roll eyes
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