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Is this an urban myth...

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Is this an urban myth...

Or is it true?
Hmmm! I wonder!
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> Avoid points on licence!
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> Only accountants could come up with this one
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> Pay your fine, but, NO POINTS DEDUCTED, !!
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> Read on :-
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> This is how the points get added to your licence:
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> If you get a fixed penalty notice through the post which also carries
> Penalty points the computer system first sends you a demand for the
> cash.
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> When you have paid, it then sends a demand to return your licence for
> endorsement, It cannot handle the licence endorsement and the payment at the same
> time,
> And it cannot process the points part of the system until the financial
> section is complete.
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> If you overpay the fixed penalty, it must issue and send a refund cheque
> For the overpayment.
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>Therefore, overpay the fixed penalty by sending a cheque for the full
> amount Plus £1.
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> The computer will then automatically generate a refund cheque for the
> Over-payment and send it to you.
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> **** Do not cash this refund cheque - DUMP IT.
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> The system then remains 'open' and cannot generate the 'send your
> licence for endorsement' demand part of the program.
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> It does, however, record your payment of the fixed penalty, so it does
> not trigger the 'follow-up unpaid fine' stage.
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> As there is no human intervention, the system will leave you alone,
> since It has got your money, which is the primary objective!
Experience; is something you gain, just after you needed it most.

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Re: Is this an urban myth...

Urban myth  Cheesy
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You're coming up with some interesting posts today Petlew.  However, don't they ask for your licence at the same time you send the payment?  Guess there may be someone who knows the answer to this one. Undecided
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Re: Is this an urban myth...

You can in some areas go on a "Training" session and not get any points, My Brother in Law did that in Suffolk recently
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Some authorities do allow you to go on a training course & if you agree points are no added to your licence, where I live the course is a full day and you pay a fee of £80 for attending.
For someone who uses their car for work or already has points on their licence it may be a good deal but for those on a limited budget £80 is a lot to pay.
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@pierre, did that myself last April. 20 people were on the "course" all except 2 had been "caught" by Gatso's at 38mph in 30 limits (the other 2 at 45 in 40 limits) which seems to be the cut-off point to generate a "Speed Awareness Course" option. 100% of us stated that only reason to attend was to avoid the 3 points on the licence.
Actually I learned something about driving automatics that day, that I've put into practice ever since. so maybe some good did come out of it.
I believe our presenter said all authorities now acknowledge the course. Or if they don't have a facility will send to a neighbouring area that does.
Experience; is something you gain, just after you needed it most.

When faced with two choices, simply toss a coin. It works not because it settles the question for you. But because in that brief moment while the coin is in the air. You suddenly know what you are hoping for.
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Are these courses only for speeding offences?  What about more serious driving offences?
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@artmo
haha what have you been getting up to? Grin
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Not me officer, I'm innocent Cool Cool
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There's a Speed Awareness Course. I believe there are other courses that cover other rather more minor offences. But I suspect the more dangerous the offence, the less likely there will be a course to cover it.
I got caught by a red-light camera driving a 42 ft bus, the light was amber when the front of the bus crossed the line, but because of slow moving traffic on the other side of the lights the rear of the bus was "red-lighted" unfortunately this did not prove a defence as, an amber light means stop, not the other common myth, be prepared to stop because the lights are going to red; see highway code. Consequently there's no course for this!!
Edit: Thinking about it, I think there's a general driving course that magistrates occasionally recommend drivers go on as part of their punishment.
Experience; is something you gain, just after you needed it most.

When faced with two choices, simply toss a coin. It works not because it settles the question for you. But because in that brief moment while the coin is in the air. You suddenly know what you are hoping for.
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Quote from: Petlew
Actually I learned something about driving automatics that day, that I've put into practice ever since. so maybe some good did come out of it.

What did you learn?

Or, is it a secret Wink
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No not at all, I like many other auto drivers actually hold a manual license and migrated to auto's for lots of varied reasons. But like most who went this way I was never "taught" to drive auto's just picked it up one day, whacked it into D and never looked back. Most auto drivers will tell you that to hold speed at or below 30mph or in traffic is actually quite difficult in D, as the car wants naturally to do around 35mph with your foot off the throttle, so its a constant dabbing of the brakes to maintain lower speed.
My and many other auto cars is fitted with a O/D (overdrive) on/off switch (quite often the smaller engined auto's don't have it but have an extra lower gear) If O/D off is selected at low speed, it far easier to control the speed with the throttle as due to the slightly lower gear the car slows down to around 15-20mph with foot off throttle. Changing down the selected gear down to 2 or 1 will very often have the engine revving hard to maintain lower speeds. This is why some auto's are described as 5 speed, when you can only see D, 1, 2 (and reverse) the other two are in my case are the O/D on/off switch and a PWR switch (er! power I guess) which introduces an extra higher gear to aid acceleration but makes a terrible mess of the economy.
I assume drivers who only hold an auto license were taught all this by their driving school...
Experience; is something you gain, just after you needed it most.

When faced with two choices, simply toss a coin. It works not because it settles the question for you. But because in that brief moment while the coin is in the air. You suddenly know what you are hoping for.
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Quote from: Rich
Quote from: Petlew
Actually I learned something about driving automatics that day, that I've put into practice ever since. so maybe some good did come out of it.

What did you learn?

Or, is it a secret Wink
Richard
How about - don't try to change gear - cue emergency stop  Embarrassed
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Quote from: Petlew
Most auto drivers will tell you that to hold speed at or below 30mph or in traffic is actually quite difficult in D, as the car wants naturally to do around 35mph with your foot off the throttle, so its a constant dabbing of the brakes to maintain lower speed.

Well I have to totally disagree on that one.
Well over 40 years driving, all sorts of vehicles, manual and auto, and NEVER had that experience.
It's not a Toyota is it?  Roll eyes
PS That includes my current 350HP V8 (auto) that DEFINITELY needs the brakes to stop it moving off smartish when you put it in gear (but then it's interlocked so you have to) but it will happily potter at 25mph on cruise control (and it's not the sort that applies the brakes). With no throttle it moves at a brisk walking speed on level ground.
PS Back on the original topic - ever tried Snopes? www.snopes.com great for checking out "stuff" arriving from t'internet.  Wink
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Well yes Oldjim, Like most new to auto's I found the redundant left foot sometimes went for the clutch and found the brake instead in the early stages. But you soon get used to it, I don't even think about it any more Some auto (ex-manual) drivers prefer to use the left foot for braking, but its frowned on by most driving schools.
It gives me a problem sometimes when I very very occasionally drive a manual by forgetting to use the clutch when changing gear!!
Experience; is something you gain, just after you needed it most.

When faced with two choices, simply toss a coin. It works not because it settles the question for you. But because in that brief moment while the coin is in the air. You suddenly know what you are hoping for.