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Is all 18+ "Adult Content" Blocked/Censored on Plusnet?

Thunderclap
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Re: Is all 18+ "Adult Content" Blocked/Censored on Plusnet?

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seriously though you could be on to something with the idea of having a specialist panel setup to make the choices, however any such panel would be first and foremost be required to have zero religious affiliation, and not be allowed to be affiliated to any pressure groups for anything

I suggest some kind of Jury for internet site blocking. It could even be people on Jury Service. Afterall, there's a lot of sitting around when you do that... A web jury would decide if the nominated website had content that was good, bad, ugly or, was too much like having Towie beamed directly into your head. Although not all jurors are well balanced, being Jury sized there would be some balalnce. A balance that mitigates the affects of the religious nutters and other weirdos. After all, it's the Courts who decide if something 'offends' the public. It is NOT the right of ISPs, Quangos or self-recruited groups with their political and religious agendas, to impose filtration on the freeweb.
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Re: Is all 18+ "Adult Content" Blocked/Censored on Plusnet?

the problem with that idea though is far too many religious types are whats termed "professional jurors" in the absence of anything else worthy of their time they volunteer to sit around collecting fees in court rooms, which of course means the rest of us don't get called up that often Smiley
the other problem with that idea is your tying up the already overloaded judicial system and a lot of people don't view certain things as harmful to minors, my stepmonster harassed me for 5 years because I blocked the entire internet bar a couple of "safe" websites for my kids, she was apoplectic that I was denying them access to social websites (forums/myspace etc) on the grounds that I was preventing them from engageing in peer based dialogue, sadly I was proven to have undertaken the correct action when one of the users of a school linked forum hooked up with a "peer" and was found abused and dead a few days after the fact....... but I digress, my stepmonster is a headteacher and a child psychologist (so should be clever and well adjusted) yet fails spectacularly to see any point in filtering access to anything something that is an all to similar problem that infects the vast majority of adults in this country
any panel of any type would be required to undergo education into what presents a risk and then split into age related groups (my youngest was using some type of laptop/pc since he could crawl although despite nearing secondary education still doesn't get access to the internet at home) so that relevant filters can be created without any religious slant being gained, that's actually a pretty tall order when you realise that the vast majority of people have at the very least a working knowledge of at least one religion or another.......
personally I wouldn't want a job like that because whilst I love trawling the internet for given purposes I have no desire to view smut (but I also don't mind that some people make a lot of money out of providing such material) and I certainly don't want to be forced to view the vile filth my teens would probably consider "age appropriate" (as in other kids) I have reduced the level of filtering I perform for them however I still block a large amount of the internent from them utiliseing age rerlated tools provided through mcafee + micrsoft's family safety filter (something made so much easier by installing windows 8 on their pc's) however such methods were instantly overcome when they were issued with ipad's through their school (on which the admin lockouts dont work and the url filter in my firewall is bypassed automatically by app's) which uses dns server settings I cant change and so in my view whilst ISP filters are sorely needed there also problably largely pointless unless every person uses the exact same technology .......
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Re: Is all 18+ "Adult Content" Blocked/Censored on Plusnet?

You've obviously never been forced to do Jury Service, have you?

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4 times in 4 separate counties, I'd actually enjoy being called up for it again however I no longer satisfy the fitness requirements so no chance of that happening again Smiley
and I've met plenty of professional jurors one of them even tried to get me to do it as well, its not exactly difficult and for some it works out pretty nice in terms of claims particularly the "self employed contractor" types who don't have any work
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Re: Is all 18+ "Adult Content" Blocked/Censored on Plusnet?

You should know that the Juror doesn't get to choose.
It's a lottery system where a number of people get to lose each year.
Payment is virtually just travelling expenses unless you can prove you've lost money.
Even then the compensation is very limited.
Did you ever be the one who held out for a majority verdict - even though 11-1 is enough to convict?
I did once - people in a closed room really hate that. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Re: Is all 18+ "Adult Content" Blocked/Censored on Plusnet?

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and I've met plenty of professional jurors one of them even tried to get me to do it as well,

Are you sure about that? I didn't think you can volunteer, now I know you can't.
I would suggest you Google "volunteer jurors in uk" and other similar searches the emphatic answer is NO it is not allowed. Some other European countries do though.
There has been a suggestion I believe that for certain types of trial of very complex types, that jurors are selected from certain walks of life and professions. trials involving corporate law or high finance etc  that jurors who know about what they are listening to are the best people to adjudicate..
However I don't think this has yet found its way into British law.
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Re: Is all 18+ "Adult Content" Blocked/Censored on Plusnet?

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There has been a suggestion I believe that for certain types of trial of very complex types, that jurors are selected from certain walks of life and professions. trials involving corporate law or high finance etc  that jurors who know about what they are listening to are the best people to adjudicate..

I am sure EVERYONE has an opinion on porn - what's suitable, what's not, what might be if you were drunk at 4 in the morning....
As for Jurors being made to examine web content from nominated websites? Consider some of the evidence Jurors have to listen to in cases such as rape, murder and torture. Considering if hotesexslutz is suitable for teenage boys would beat listening to days-and-days-and-weeks of legal arguement. Also, this Jury system gives web site owners a right to appeal a censorship - without resorting to a writ that could cost an ISP a damages claim. Furthermore, which sites are banned is published officially and, for the reason. When it comes to offending the public decency, the public should decide what offends them, and not the Daily Mail.
It would be nice to hear PlusNet's official position on this?

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and I've met plenty of professional jurors one of them even tried to get me to do it as well,

Are you sure about that? I didn't think you can volunteer, now I know you can't.
I would suggest you Google "volunteer jurors in uk" and other similar searches the emphatic answer is NO it is not allowed. Some other European countries do though.
There has been a suggestion I believe that for certain types of trial of very complex types, that jurors are selected from certain walks of life and professions. trials involving corporate law or high finance etc  that jurors who know about what they are listening to are the best people to adjudicate..
However I don't think this has yet found its way into British law.

once you have been called up for jury service you are permitted to volunteer for further sittings if you were dismissed in under 7 days on your call up, there's very clear opportunities for it  however the courts are equally at liberty to explain why you should rod off
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You should know that the Juror doesn't get to choose.
It's a lottery system where a number of people get to lose each year.
Payment is virtually just travelling expenses unless you can prove you've lost money.
Even then the compensation is very limited.
Did you ever be the one who held out for a majority verdict - even though 11-1 is enough to convict?
I did once - people in a closed room really hate that. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

yes, in fact I argued my point so succinctly that every one else in the room changed there mind, it only took 2 weeks of deliberations .........and in the trial I was part of at the time they required a unanimous vote for conviction.
I would also point out that we all felt the person in the dock was guilty however the prosecution bungled the case and failed to present any tangible evidence, hence why I was holding firm......I must also say the individual was a vile brat that could of done with a good beating
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That is somewhat different to your assertion of "professional jurors" you may only get called for jury service once in a lifetime, or indeed may never be called at all. To be recalled to another jury during a normal 10 day call is by random selection, you cannot volunteer for it, you will be told your service is finished or be told to return to the jurors waiting area. In my case we were told that our service was over and to leave the court.
You cannot offer your services to the jury system, the whole thing is done by random ballot from the electoral rolls. If in a lifetime you may have appeared on another areas electoral roll then yes there is a chance you may be called more than once <indeed I have been for this very reason> but, a jury selection may well question your motives for wanting to become a serial juror if you volunteer.
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Re: Is all 18+ "Adult Content" Blocked/Censored on Plusnet?

You might be called for a fortnight more than once in the same area - but not more than once a year.
You have to turn up and you spend 90% of the time waiting, just watching daytime TV.

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my best excuse for avoiding jury service in the 6 times I was called for it was I wasn't living in the uk at the time they wanted me to serve though, every other time I "got out of it" was for reasons of national security until recently when I was dismissed from the register as failing to meet the requirements through medical condition for future service ......
notwithstanding I have appeared on the electoral roll in 9 counties and in one of them in 4 separate council areas, and have attended for jury service to many times compared to the majority of people In those regions ......
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9 countries ? you certainly get around.
Do you not have to be a resident of a country before your name appears on the electoral role ?
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Re: Is all 18+ "Adult Content" Blocked/Censored on Plusnet?

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9 countries ?

counties not countries ......
although I have worked in a total of 8 countries (3 of which i have also lived in on a residential basis) but then that's just the luck of the draw, although the frequent moves were hard on the family they did help us to retain a fairly clutter free lifestyle and prevented us from forming unnatural attachment to any none essential items (because you get limits on how much stuff you can move) now though I'm happy to stay the sedentary lifestyle thrust upon us is far more appropriate to forming bonds with various community groups
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... your motives for wanting to become a serial juror if you volunteer.

...motives sanity...
I was selected on two occasions and was told it was unlikely I'd be called again.  Then I moved house to  a different area. Guess what arrived last week ....?
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Meanwhile...
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