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Investigatory Powers Bill

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Investigatory Powers Bill

The Investigatory Powers Bill is being debated in the Commons just now.

Interesting discussion concerning Internet connection Reports and IP addresses.

Someone mentioned a person browsing the internet on their mobile phone using mobile broadband while travelling round the M25 in a car acquiring and dropping multiple IP addresses as they went.

The solution to this problem was cited as IPv6.

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Is this the snoopers charter? as far as I am led to believe terrorists don't use the internet or smartphones.

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So..... How many terrorists do you know, then ?   Crazy2

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We are all terrorists when it suits someone in power who wants to do a bit of snooping.

 

Even the fictional terrorist only use basic phones, no internet no gps, random SIM.

 

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Steve wrote:

Is this the snoopers charter? as far as I am led to believe terrorists don't use the internet or smartphones.


 

Have a read about the so-called "dark web", which is something a lot of terrorist organisations, criminals and other detritus you'd scrape off the sole of your shoe reside...

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@twocvbloke

 

the dark web isn't just for the scum of the internets, plenty of normal people use dark sites to share messages and information that cant be tapped by any script kiddy with internetz, hell the dark web is just a new name for a really old idea of using unlisted domains via ping forward points, pretty sure that old trick is how all those cool effects on the interconnect node bounces are done on the various cop /spy shows are done, all you need is the correct encapsulation on your message queue and your stuff reaches the destination, but if you already know the persistent websites ip address you can just type it in and arrive at the destination page instead of using www.  much the way it was done before it became "simple" and certainly why it was random number entries that lead to a kid printing out the challenger shuttles designs in his attic back in the 80's.....

 

hell if you know the right numbers or commands you can find all kinds of interesting things on seemingly innocuous web servers...

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And those that do always get caught.

Though simple to access and next to impossible to see what's going on there as far as I know, the vulnerability of the dark web is that the powers that be can see who "enters & exits".

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only if your using a direct entry point.... the problem with the internet is that anyone not savvy enough to switch of the remote routing service in their pc is a bounce point you can operate through, entire office complexes don't switch it off (as was proven by the attacks on various Wikipedia pages during the last general election campaign) places where the net~admins should have disabled it during initial role out and at every service pack deployment because they lock out the end users access to it via secpol..... more than half the major office blocks in the country leave it open and running on every single workstation or device in their intranet and then plug that into the web via rotating gateways, all you need is to enter via one terminal point and exit via another utilising internal bounce points and you've already defeated the trackers thanks to enterprise level firewall that view them as an attack point, when in reality you probably just spoofed a few mac /wan numbers in your route table via the local internet café....

 

getting round intercepts isn't difficult if your savvy to how and have the right gizmo or two, if it wasn't child's play then all the dark web users and by association host sites would of been closed and interred awaiting trial, the fact that only a handful are ever taken down or put into custody speaks volumes about the various authorities inability to do what they claim in the press

 

I should also point out that the IP bill will circumvent that by having the details flagged at the connection point, so unless such people start tapping directly into bt's infrastructure at the various interconnect nodes there going to be traceable via the isp and the header info .... which if nothing else should see the arrest rates climb as cybercrimes divisions spring up to make the numbers look great .....

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The trouble with the Dark Web is that as far as I know I haven't been on it but with so much talk about it my curiosity is seriously aroused.

I'll probably end up with a SWAT team ringing my door bell.

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yeah I wouldn't be overly worried about it if i were you,

 

if your not on a secure terminal and get pinged going through a monitored relay without a secure terminal then you'll find a bunch of spyware miraculously shows up on your pc, your phone line will have a millisecond buzz before/after you lift the receiver and if your not using the proper code words or buying guns /drugs/hoes they will get bored and switch it off after a few weeks, one of my kids isn't exactly bright and uses it to stream movies or watch porn consequently I've had all of those things on multiple systems that mcafee picks up and spits out an alert over, but what else do you expect from school kids ....

 

 

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shutter wrote:

So..... How many terrorists do you know, then ?   Crazy2


I don't claim to know any. Take Osama Bin Laden, no internet, no phone connection, years to track him down.

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It's easy to hide when you live in a cave with only a camcorder for company...