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Interesting downloader`s survey

WildRose52
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Interesting downloader`s survey


I wonder how many Australians (and beyond) will do this survey?
Do you download music or movies illegally?
Please tell us — we won't judge you.
All survey responses are strictly confidential
http://www.news.com.au/technology/download-culture/do-you-download-music-or-movies-
illegally/story-fn58oolp-1225854202390

I have no doubt they wont `judge` them, but what about report them?
Although they dont ask for name /address /postcode or email - no doubt they`ll still harvest
their IP address.
If I was a file sharer, which I`m NOT, no way would I fill in that survey.

Mind you, its perhaps not as ludicrous as this one was in 2007 which was aimed at kids in
some UK schools :-
Row over 'intrusive' Ofsted survey of pupils
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1553381/Row-over-intrusive-Ofsted-survey-of-pupils.html
It was totally anonomous, of course...
well, assuming that people discounted the fact that they asked the kids for their POSTCODE.
They really must believe that people are stupid.



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WildRose52
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One thing that baffles me about the file-sharing uproar is this:
What is the difference between people downloading a music file or movie....
compared to how people have always `recorded` songs from the radio....
and movie`s from the TV - using equipment (like radio/cassette or VCR)
and which had a `RECORD` button.
If they never intended anyone to record songs or movies, then why did they
sell equipment with that facility?
They now claim that downloading has an adverse effect on how much music
is sold,  yet in the days when Top of the Pops was popular people not only
got songs for free but also an artiste`s video as well.
Judging by how popular VCR machines were, I`m sure everyone recorded
movies, and their fav soap opera etc.
They even started selling cassette players and VCRs with twin cassette decks,
which then enabled people to record extra copies for friends and family.
So what`s changed?
pierre_pierre
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nothing, the music industry tried to ban or put a tax of them at that time
WildRose52
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Right okay, I mustn`t have heard of it then.
Mind you, I never watched any news back then either lol.

pierre_pierre
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and they tried to tax blank cassettes
David_W
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I do believe in some countries they have a tax on MP3 players and CD-R/RW etc. automatically to compensate rights holders incase people actually do put content on them they shouldn't, I believe Germany and Canada are among the countries that do this.
As for the difference, when you record to VHS/DVD you don't share it with 1000 people across the world, you usually record it to watch yourself at a later time.  People these days are just downloading full movies, songs, recordings from the cinema, games, books, a whole plethora of things which they didn't record (and in many cases do not possess the ability to record, for instance, Australians watching yesterdays Dr Who) and have no intention of becoming "legal" with (technically lawful).
WildRose52
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True in one sense, but then thousands of people around the world
were probably all using that sort of equipment to record music &
movies & programmes.    So they were still getting it.
I`m not condoning file sharing.
What I am against however is just how expensive it proves to be each
time they change the format.
For example, I`ve always been a big fan of Elvis and Roy Orbison.
I bought all their music on vinyl, and when cassettes came out I bought
it again, and by the time CDs were invented I was starting to get well
cheesed off.
I think the music industry ought to at least be more considerate, and at
least make older material alot cheaper on the basis that they must know
that people have already bought the music once if not twice already.
The fact that such artistes got to the top of the charts makes that clear.
By all means keep the latest material that bit dearer.
But that doesnt really happen.  How many times do we see (via TV advers)
on occasions like Mothers Day /Fathers Day /xmas how they churn out the
same old artistes at full price    I would say that is ripping people off, but
they dont like it when file sharers rip them off.
As long as there`s a greedy industry out there, then there`s always going
to be people who will seek to find a way round it.

David_W
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Previously it wasn't possible to record things you could not obtain.  No matter how much recording equipment you have in Australia, it would have been impossible for you to make a recording of yesterdays Dr Who.  With the advent of Napster, the record industry missed a chance at a new revenue stream, instead of exploiting world wide demand and making a business plan, they went and got Napster neutered.  This led to Bittorrent which is infinitely more popular than Napster.  You can find almost anything on Bittorrent, whilst it may be very hard for you to find a certain recording from a certain artist.
With Bittorrent the genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back in, a generation of youth are more inclined to fire up utorrent to download Moby than go to a record store and purchase a CD, or hit iTunes, why pay for it when it's just as easy to get it for free?
Games?  Companies riddle their software with DRM which makes it harder for a person who buys the game legally to play the game than it does a "pirate".  A pirate will download the game, patch it, and hey presto, no restrictive DRM, no unwanted software installed on their computers, it's arguable that the stance game companies have on DRM is leading people to get a better experience from downloading it.  In fact, there are people who buy the software and then patch it.
Because the record companies missed out on a revenue stream, they now want to try and kill it in any was possible, instead of forward thinking and trying to entice people to purchase their goods, they stick with the same tired old model which isn't effective in the 21st century any longer when people can download the latest song, or download a game days or even weeks before it's released in their home country.
I've signed up for Metaboli, so I take advantage of the games on there (legally) and also have steam so look for bargains, the games industry in some ways is forward thinking, in others (DRM) is backwards thinking, the music industry wishes they could prevent people playing the music they pay for so they couldn't swap it with anyone.
WildRose52
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I obviously am now as informed about all this as you are.
I dont play games & although Ive heard of DRM I havent got
a clue how it works.
One thing that did annoy me was when the record industry
claimed that if you bought a CD then you werent to play it on
your PC or transfer it to an ipod.    I cant see why once you`ve
bought it what it matters what you choose to listen to it on.
As you said though : its backward thinking.
pierre_pierre
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WildRose52
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Looks like a handy little piece of kit.
Thanks Pierre.
scootie
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tut tut. hardware for making ilegal copys of your vinyl. expect team usa to confiscate that off you
David_W
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Quote from: WildRose52

I obviously am now as informed about all this as you are.
I dont play games & although Ive heard of DRM I havent got
a clue how it works.

DRM is Digital Rights Management.  It's software installed that tries to prevent copying, it can also prevent software from running if it detects emulation software installed on your computer.  I use Daemon Tools, a completely legal piece of software, but some DRM will detect it and refuse to run the game, it's reasoning being "I'm using Daemon tools, therefore this game must be pirated", that is why people who pirate software can get a better experience than people who buy the software.
I'm actually *for* DRM, I believe it does have it's place, but over-restrictive DRM does nothing but harm the average consumer, it has zero effect on piracy.
WildRose52
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Asbo Dog,
Back to one of my earlier comments:  the record (vinyl) /cassette player /radio
used to be able to copy vinyls to cassette lol.
None confiscated those.
Although that particular item is available I would imagine most ppl will (like
myself) have merely replaced all their vinyl records by now (and in my case
Ive done so twice lol)
pierre_pierre
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and dont forget the Sony DRM Fiasco that virtually installed a rootkit trojen to stop you "Pirating" but instead let any one into your PC