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Illegal downloads - what do you think?

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Illegal downloads - what do you think?

For a while now I have had a bit of a 'bee in my bonnet' about folk downloading music for free.  Angry  If you asked them to go to work and not get paid they would (quite rightly) refuse so why do they expect artists and all the ancillary staff  who are employed by the music industry to do just that?
I know that I am perhaps a bit old fashioned because it seems to me that this is rife - almost to the extent of being 'acceptable'. 
Well, I don't think that it is.  Unfortunately it is these folk who are putting us all at risk by infecting their computers and possibly sending it on to other innocent computer users. 
Would be interested to know how others view this issue.
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Re: Illegal downloads - what do you think?

I totally agree, those that put their time and skills into something should be able to be rewarded for that financially if they want to be.
However, I totally object to the music business asking me to buy tracks more than once and for not coming up with schemes that allows music to move with the modern times both allowing people to consume music the way they want, but also allows for others to use the music to create new works.
It seems bizzare that big business and the little man are combining are leading the way on creating and financing software development, yet the apparently anarchic musicians with their love of jamming and sampling couldn't do the same.
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Unfortunately it is these folk who are putting us all at risk by infecting their computers and possibly sending it on to other innocent computer users. 

I don't see any connection between illegal file sharing and downloads and people infecting their computers. Do you have any evidence to support that claim?
I do agree that artists need paying for their work but the "piracy" is probably a direct result of the ludicrous amounts of money that have been involved in the music business. When people get greedy others will fight back.
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If you do a search for a free download of some prated software a significant proportion of the results will try to download malware as well or even instead of
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Re: Illegal downloads - what do you think?

That is quite correct but it doesn't show a connection between the users of such downloads and their computers being infected. The corollary would be to say that users of email are "those folk who are putting us all at risk".
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The artists producing the work should be paid (arguably their rate of remuneration may be grossly disproportionate). However, the 'music industry', rather like the 'film industry' (with its equally absurd attempts to control distribution with region encoding on DVDs and Blu ray discs) deserves everything it gets for its sheer greed in making huge profits on the backs' of others' labour.
I don't condone the illegal downloading of music, or software. I have gone to great lengths to both persuade and prevent my teenage children from doing so. However, I am not above attempting to defeat copy restrictions (purely for personal use) to change formats, etc. of work that I have purchased, that I may enjoy them at a time and place of my choosing and from a suitable device. As a child (showing my age here) I was bitterly disappointed my parents would not let me lug my Dansette record player and records on a rail journey from Sheffield to Glasgow. Perhaps that is when the rebel within me was created?
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Well, I take your point about playing music where you want and on what you want but as my mum used to say, two wrongs don't make a right.  I cannot comment on profits made by any company, but it surely can be no worse than the utility companies that supply gas and electric - we're not downloading those products illegally.
With regard to the risk of infection to other computers, I stand to be corrected.  However, isn't it the case that email addresses are 'harvested' by viruses on an infected machine, the outcome being spam sent to these addresses?  Also, isn't  spam email often infected?  Although security software is free, there are many of us who are so concerned by the threats out there that we prefer to pay for internet protection.   
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Pretty much agree with @johpal, the music industry needs to move with the times rather than try to stick with an outdated unworkable revenue model.
And pointlessly waste expensive legal, legislative and administrative effort in doing so.
I don't know what the answer is, it's up to those involved (creators, intermediaries and consumers) to devise something that will work. At present many are trying to avoid that and just trying to prohibit anything outside of their "traditional" processes. That is inevitably doomed as history has shown so many times.
The vast numbers of people paying Apple for products and media show it's not impossible.  Wink
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If you do a search for a free download of some prated software a significant proportion of the results will try to download malware as well or even instead of

That is quite correct but it doesn't show a connection between the users of such downloads and their computers being infected. The corollary would be to say that users of email are "those folk who are putting us all at risk".
If someone downloads dodgy software and gets a malware package embedded by definition they are at much greater risk of infection
http://www.spamfighter.com/News-9246-Illegal-Software-Downloads-have-High-Risks-of-Malware-Infection...
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Illegal Software Downloads have High Risks of Malware Infection
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As more and more sellers ignore anti-counterfeiting rules of auction sites, they are providing pirated operating systems and other software in the form of digital downloads, said Tier-3's CTO Geoff Sweeney. Although the sites may follow the sales rules, yet they put buyers in contact with dangers of infections arising from different malwares, Sweeney added. SecurityPark reported this on October 9, 2007.
Highlighting a point in a study that IDC recently conducted, BSA noted that only less than half of the total buyers get malware-free software on any auction site.
Sweeney further said that a lot of traditional IT security solutions fail to successfully scan software downloads that has embedded malware. And when these files are executed, they install viruses, keyloggers and other malware on the user's computer. Given that users may be downloading and installing illegal software, IT managers need to adopt a safer approach such as using a behavioral analysis program to spot and stop malware-laden software from running.
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/87822/study-illegal-downloads-at-work-up-55/
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“Downloading illegal content is a ‘double whammy’ for employers as not only does it put them at risk legally but it also puts the company network at risk of being infected with malware,” adds Parker. “A large majority of free illegal downloading websites are often riddled with malware.”
http://www.security-faqs.com/how-can-downloading-illegal-files-put-my-computer-security-at-risk.html
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Hidden Malware
Another way that you are exposed to danger when you download illegal files is downloading malware that is hidden in the guise of a normal file.
You may think that you are downloading a MP3 but in reality it is an exe file and will execute a dangerous program when you double click on it.
These file services are known to host every virus, trojan, and worm that you can think of.
Putting it very simply - downloading illegal software dramatically increases the risk of infection and subsequent dissemination of such infection.
This is a well known and documented fact.
Although email is also a source of infection the vast majority of email services incorporate anti virus of some form or another so the risk is much reduced
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Re: Illegal downloads - what do you think?

I think as far as pirating is concerned the damage is now done.
There are those who will go to any lengths to get something for nothing and they can't be changed but so many people download illegally because of the high cost of the media and the restrictions placed on it by the dinosaur like media industry.
If the music and movie industries got their act together and modernised their business models I doubt it would make a significant difference, as stated above, the damage has now been done and copying and sharing is endemic and a way of life.
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I wonder where I would stand if I listen to Spotify Free Version and copy the music using the copy what you hear feature of my sound card
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I laugh when I hear the same-old arguments presented by content companies.  From photographs (going to destroy painting) to musical recordings (going to destroy live music) to radio (going to destroy recorded music) to cable TV (going to destroy regular TV) to the photocopier (going to destroy books) to the VCR (going to destroy the movie industry) to audio cassettes (home taping is killing music) to the MP3 player (ditto) to file sharing (ditto) to the DVR (killing TV) and onwards.
Frankly, I'm surprised that the restaurant industry isn't complaining that Home cooking is killing the Restaurant industry
The music "industry" has increased in growth over the last few years.  What has declined is the revenue from selling circular pieces of plastic, as the record companies (not the music industry) fail to adapt their business model.  Music is not a scarce resource, and the record companies are still clinging to the fact that they should be entitled to charge you many times over for music in different delivery formats.
Smart musicians are making money.  They're fronting their own gigs and pocketing a huge percentage of the takings in comparison to the record company 'gatekeeper' deals, where they get a pittance of a percentage, and also have to pay off their advances from that percentage.  Self-publishing is a reality nowadays, but what the smart musicans are selling is a "reason to buy", not the music itself.  Their music is an advertisement for their live perfomances, or other ways that they can connect directly with fans and monetize that experience.
Personally, I subscribe to Spotify because it gives me the experience I want (a large selection of music) on a multitude of delivery platforms (computer, ipod touch, phone) for a reasonable rate that I'm willing to pay (£9.99 per month).  I don't "own" the music (although surprisingly you'll find that you don't "own" the music that's on those pretty plastics discs you may have collected), but I'm a pretty prolific consumer of it.
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Frankly, I'm surprised that the restaurant industry isn't complaining that Home cooking is killing the Restaurant industry

I would say it has. I have visited countries where everyone eat out because it is cheaper to do so than cook at home. It was the same in this country a hundred years ago or so but over the years more started to cook at home which then meant the eating establishments had to increase prices because of lost of volume which in turn made more people to cook at home. So now going to eat out  is not a norm but a treat.
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I'd say Barry has hit the nail on the head.
@poppy, there are people who go to work for nothing - volunteers. I've done it, i'd be doing it now except that these days you can't even give it away. Local volunteer organisation refuses to answer emails. Local charities only seem to want funds and not volunteer help too. The government keep banging on about volunteering and in reality a lot of places refuse to have them.
With regards to software piracy i think anyone who is a professional programmer has been partly responsible for their own doom anyway. Then there are others like M$ who's software is the most popular on earth thanks to pirated versions. Then you have other professional programmers who then go about releasing patches, cracks, keygens etc.
Take office, sure its expensive but look how many copies they sell of it because its so popular. The SO managed to buy office legally through the workplace (local authority agreement) for £10 and never even installed it but felt she should buy it because she 'needed it' as everyone else uses it. The installer is still sat on her hard drive with a MS email in her inbox with the serial.
Record industry is suffering? Poor souls, i don't suppose uploading a lot of their material to youtube is doing them any favours either - not when they know about sites like keepvid and video2mp3. They're actually intentionally contributing to their own doom and then moaning about it. Get a grip is what i say - you can't upload content to youtube and then moan about filesharers when you're leaving the door open for people to download from youtube without even using filesharing software - thats just bonkers.
@itsme: perhaps i'm too young to remember cheap eating out but that certainly sounds like a great era. Shame this pathetic country keeps using politicians which are out to destroy everything by pricing it out of existence.
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Putting it very simply - downloading illegal software dramatically increases the risk of infection and subsequent dissemination of such infection.
This is a well known and documented fact.
Although email is also a source of infection the vast majority of email services incorporate anti virus of some form or another so the risk is much reduced

So you say.