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Herbal PainKiller for knee joints

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Herbal PainKiller for knee joints

My wife is suffering from arthiritis in her knees, she needs some painkiller, preferably "ointment/cream" type. that she could use at any time of the day, especially whilst "out and about".
She cannot use the "normal" prescription types of anti- inflamatory drugs because they tend to affect the INR levels and consequently her warfarin medication.... so I am making a request from this most knowlegeable forum, if anyone has any knowledge or experience of Herbal type pain killer ointments .....
Any recommendations?  these will be put forward to the doc before any "uptake" ....
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Re: Herbal PainKiller for knee joints

A lot of lower limb pain is actually referred pain due to spine problems. I bought a pair of customised insoles for my shoes. They have adjusted the way I walk and seem to have relieved my leg pains to some degree. Worth a try.
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I use a Glucosamine gel. I get from Home Bargains (<£2 for a large tube). (they don't show it on-line but it is in the 3 stores I have visited)
Been using it on my shoulder & hand arthritis for several years now.
I also take Ginger & Rose Hip extract tablets to help with the pain. (Also just started Cod Liver Oil capsules which have drastically reduced the pain from my shoulders)
I also take Glucosamine tablets for my knees, along with Green Shelled Mussel extract.
Failing that Lloyds has some special gel but it is ££'s
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I used to take glucosamine until the NHS stopped offering it on prescription. I have to say it has made no difference to my aches and pains. This is what the NHS trial also discovered and why they stopped it.
I have a friend who is an osteopath and he recommends Flexiseq to his patients with joint pain. It's available from Amazon and has got some good reviews on there.
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Re: Herbal PainKiller for knee joints

Last year I noticed my mother's ankles and feet were badly swollen and she was in a lot of pain - she suffers from osteoarthritis.
She had been using a cream which she felt was doing some good (can't remember what at the mo but will ask when I see her later next week) but I contacted her GP who referred her to a physiotherapist who commented that most of these creams and ointments do nothing more than give the sufferer a placebo effect but, in fact, do not actually help.
He recommended mum get up and about more often and noticed that when mum did walk with the aid of a frame she was putting more weight onto one side causing further discomfort and pain. After a few weeks of support and encouragement in walking appropriately the swelling reduced as did the pain.
Unfortunately the physiotherapy had to stop - which is another story Sad

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Glucosamine varies between people. I find the gel 1000% better than Ibuprofen gel on my hands and shoulders. I had some IBF from the doc, but it just didn't cut the mustard for me. A quick smear of the Glucosamine gel and my fingers stop being painful. Works on my shoulders as well just not as well.
A few months ago when the pain in my shoulders was becoming unbearable, I went back to the doc to see the results of the xrays done earlier, the wear was worse but they said tuff nowt we can for you, you can go to pysio and try exercises or just dope up on paracetamol & the one they had prescribed me. That's when I tried CLO and what a difference, the pain faded almost completely.
We had this discussion about herbal remedies a couple of years ago and some people get the benefit and others just don't find any difference, that's why I always say try a cheap trial version from the £shop or Home Bargains that way the most you have lost is a £. That's where I got the CLO from HB 89p for 30 1000mg capsules. Personally we (myself and SHMBO) find that Glucosamine & Green Lipped Mussel help us BYMMV. (If we could stop the GLM we would save a lot of money, but SHMBO tried and found she had severe hip pain when she stopped.) You can say it is placebo and for you it maybe but 1000's of people swear by these remedies.
She could also try acupuncture, that helped me in the past (about 20 years ago) when I had a trapped nerve in my left shoulder. Or do you claim it is placebo as well Mav?
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I received a session of acupuncture on the NHS and it worked well for me Smiley
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She could also try acupuncture, that helped me in the past (about 20 years ago) when I had a trapped nerve in my left shoulder. Or do you claim it is placebo as well Mav?

I never claimed using the creams results in a placebo effect, I just reported what the physiotherapist told me. He did say most (not all) creams! I am not sure whether my mum has used Glucosamine or not so will ask/suggest that to her.
I have suggested she try acupuncture but at 87 she doesn't want to try any of these newfangled remedies - her words, not mine.
Personally I would try anything to help relieve symptoms/cure ailment and, for myself (not related to the OP's request for information), I have tried, homoeopathy, hypnotherapy amongst many others

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All my acupuncture has been on the NHS. First one was at the physiotherapy dept at the hospital, they had tried Hydrocortizone injections and exercises. 3 visits and that was it for 8 years. The next was at my local doc's one of them does it.
Mav remind you mother that acupuncture has been round for about 4000 years in China ;-).
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Believe me, I've explained all that to her. Unfortunately, a form of dementia is setting in and it is becoming more difficult to have a reasoned conversation with her  Cry
I remember a cousin of mine had gold injections back in the 70's and early 80's. He must have been worth a fortune when he died Wink Do they still do that now?

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As a first step I would advise going to a pain clinic. They specialise in all forms of pain control so can prescribe the one that they feel will be best. If one doesn't work they can then try something else. We have a very good pain clinic and I understand most large hospitals will have one. At ours we have 5 consultants specialising in various forms of pain control and they are backed up by a team of specialist nurse practitioners.
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I went to the local pain clinic when I first had my trapped nerve. The doc stuck a needle into my shoulder to see how deep the nerve was, I nearly passed out with the pain when he did it. Then he said too deep to operate on, next.
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Been using Glucosamine for years along with Oil capsules and recently Ginger and Rosehip tabs but despite this my knees started playing up about 2 years ago following a long fell walk, swelling and painful, voltrol cream certainly reduced the pain following a hot bath as the heat increases absorption, some websites recommend adding Epsom salts to the bath water not sure if it works but anything is worth a try, now we come on to the best bit, Oldjim mentioned the use of  Bio-collagen type 2, I tried that and most of the pain and swelling has gone, took about 2 to 3 weeks for this to happen.
The type I use is by a firm called life extension, bio-collagen with patented UC-ll. They are 40mg capsules containing 10mg undenatured type 2 collagen.
I think they were purchased from Amazon, not cheap but might be worth a try, I have been specific in giving the details of what I purchased as there are many adverts for collagen, much of it type 1 which will not work.
clearly a number of forum members have similar problems with knee pain or joint pain and it might be helpful to raise this topic every so often to hear what others have tried or found to work
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I think the NHS review did say Glucosamine did nothing that fish oil already did and it was discontinued as a result. I take Omega 3 and Cod Liver Oil daily.
@gleneagles, I wonder if you'd notice the difference if you stopped the Glucosamine for a month Undecided