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nanotm
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@gleneagles wrote:

@nanotm wrote:

we already have a name for it its called selfish [-Censored-] syndrome...

and it tends to be endemic with bangers and those lacking education, those devoid of critical thinking and bound with tunnel vision...

even those who undertake violence on behalf of their peers either as some misguided act of vengeance, retribution, protection or expansion of "business" dont understand the wider implications of such things ...

 

and that includes the millions belonging to various cults who tend to be subjectively stupid as it suits their own devious and perverse natures...

 

but then nothing is so strange as the duality of man/

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Whilst not disputing the points you make the issue is very complex in many cases.

Imagine a young person growing up in some areas of this country where drugs and gangs are rife, are they really going to tell some gang they will not join or carry out some illegal task they are told to do ?

Easy for people like us to say we would not do it but equally I suspect no one on the forum was brought up under those circumstances.

As for cults and sects, I guess most people want to believe in something so join like minded groups who make them welcome, there is a basic human instinct to feel needed.

It is also hard for many to accept the fact that once you die that's the end despite all the evidence available this is the case or put another way not one single piece of evidence that you continue to exist after death, the only group trying to provide such evidence through spiritualism have been shown to be bogus.


so in essence what your saying is these people (or communities)  require better education and critical thinking skills to prevent them from continually falling into the same traps of the history...

when I was at school and we had an actual education system that turned out improvements on each generation -instead of lesser imitations each turn- we had far less problems with gangs, in fact we had to import them from overseas in order to have that kind of crime....

 

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@nanotm

A lot of factors are involved, if you live in a poor area with no job prospects and you see people in other parts of the country living well and you know due to poor education and lack of money you will never come anywhere to get half the things they have what do you do ?

I suspect many take to drink or drugs (both legal &illegal) to block out thinking about it whilst others who are more savvy get involved in illegal activities, often at the expense of those living in the same area.

Various schemes to tackle the problem have been tried here and abroad and whilst I have no data to support it I suspect crime is getting worse.

There are of course figures that show crime rates but how accurate are they ? In many cases people do not bother to report crimes for a variety of reasons and in some places going to the Police is a no no.

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the only "scheme " necessary is to get back to improving the educational base of society

 

when I went to school 20 odd years ago we learnt things that were both useful and true, we were taught by people who had spent at least a decade actually pursuing a career before choosing to take up teaching for hte gold plated pension option, we didnt get drip fed lies by a bunch of barely literate morons to stupid to maintain a simple job in a fast food chain ( and yes thats what a career teacher generally is, all theory zero practical) not only did we learn to question everything we actually learned history and contextualisation, we were taught the truth in all its unvarnished glory not pandered too incase our feelings were hurt, we in short were educated not indoctrinated

 

you want to fix the problems of gangs, bring back borstals and improve education standards instead of creating new reasons why thicko's are best employed as teachers despite hte fact they cannot read or write sufficiently to pass the old 11+ exam...

 

on top of that get a grip on immigration, the reason theres no jobs around isnt lack of workers, its a combination of too many new mouths at the table and stupid policies like minimum wage laws, policies that have only served to supress wages and devalue education or specialisations..

when left school a shelf stacker got paid £6/hr (I know I spent a few weeks being one over the summer) a few years later minimum wage laws came in and suddenly that same quality summer job straight out of school was worth less than £3/hr businesses saved a mint on wages... and those wages have still not recovered in 19 years, they havent even doubled but instead been retained at an artificially low level for the entire time... but worse than that, I can sweep floors (a zero skill job) or train for several years to become a qualified person and I'll still be offered the same starting wage  (except I will have a load of education based debt since education is no longer free)

the only jobs that have a decent starting wage are either government or detracted from by massive debt burdens (unless your from money) 

this didnt used to be the case, but it became so thanks to "the workers party" who devalued everyone to the lowest common denominator and as a result crime levels increased massively (they dont even record the majority of crimes anymore unless they come with an easy conviction) the CPS has outsourced itself to the lowest bidder and refuses to even prosecute the majority of crimes that make it into the official records... this is the problem that has created gang culture (something desired by dodgy national leaders) crime culture makes it easier to control the masses through fear and blame, it matters not who's fault the problem is nothing will change unless someone actually admits the problems and then implements the necessary changes, and no government will do this once its started down the road to full communism, mostly because they lack the spine to do the right thing rather than the easy thing!

 

 and the reason for gun crime is related to this, without a revolution you cant fix the problem, you cannot excise the suppurating pustules that caused this social cancer and so they took away guns, which immediately caused a rise in violent  crimes, when the criminals had to worry that potential victims might be armed they were far more reticent to do wrong, when there was actual punishment to worry about nobody wanted to get caught and spend years languishing in horrible dungeon conditions with nothing but basic rations and limited care options.... now that they can look forward to time in hotel conditions with a free degree of their choice providing they go down for long enough there far more free with the violence and criminal activity especially sicne nobody confiscated their ill gotten gains as part of the normal judicial process... 

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For my 10p’s worth I’m of the opinion that everyone (with a few clinical exceptions) is capable of learning new stuff and bettering their life, be it simple arithmetic, English, a new language or even Astrophysics regardless of who they are or where they live. Going back to School is an option for everyone but not everyone takes it up, for whatever reason or excuse, but the point being that the opportunity to do it is there.

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@gleneagles wrote:

@nanotm

A lot of factors are involved, if you live in a poor area with no job prospects and you see people in other parts of the country living well and you know due to poor education and lack of money you will never come anywhere to get half the things they have what do you do ?

 


 

Go to school and under perform for 5 years....... or buy a Gun !

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And for those that don't care for the Daily Mail

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-45271874

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@Anonymous wrote:

For my 10p’s worth I’m of the opinion that everyone (with a few clinical exceptions) is capable of learning new stuff and bettering their life, be it simple arithmetic, English, a new language or even Astrophysics regardless of who they are or where they live. Going back to School is an option for everyone but not everyone takes it up, for whatever reason or excuse, but the point being that the opportunity to do it is there.


If you remove the rose tinted glasses for a moment..

I tried to go back to college last year (maybe the one before) they wouldn't even let me finish the enrollment process. No reasons given, they said they'd get back to me about the next part, the next thing i got was an email saying as i'd not enrolled i wasn't able to get extra help!

 

This after i'd also explained all of my health woes to them - which means they've legally discriminated against me but still deliberately stopped me going back to better myself.

 

For the record, knowing how these things keep happening to me and having to have the forevision and ability to plan for it, I also made contact with another college as a backup plan in order to cheat fate. They also refused to help.

 

So NO, not everyone is able to go back into education and better themselves. Even if they can work out how to survive financially. Having seen what you've written above though, you'll no doubt accuse me of using an excuse :rolleyes:

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yes you can go to education but what is the point of it when your options are some minimum wage job or no job at all becasue its cheaper to employ those without papers....

 

never mind the fact that you have to pay to get that education, something i'm in the process of doing right now for a family member who didnt go to college back when they were young enough due to better employment options for semi skilled workers...

 

my sister went to uni generated 40k in student loans (which she is still paying back nearly 20 years later) just so she could get a minimum wage job... because art degrees are useless for employment... my wife recently racked up 15k in debt for her education to gain the necessary skills to be called a professional, her job options are minimum wage where she cant afford the loan repayments or self employed so she might make a couple of quid a month after deductions... 

 

what is the impetus to advance in knowledge ? its a lot cheaper to buy a gun (less than £2000 with enough ammo to get by) or join a criminal syndicate and earn thousands a week the government doesn't steal a penny from under the guise of taxation...

 

my kids are currently employed, when the minimum wage goes up to £10/hr 2 out of the 3 will be let go due to their age and the fact under 18's can be hired on as apprentices at the rate of £4/hr.... no doubt they will follow many of their brethren into a life of crime sicne there are so few other options.... and its getting worse not better, year on year the same instability grows, those at the top deny it (because they are insulated from it) those at the bottom are angry and those in the middle feel put upon and through it all we get folks with the economic literacy of a dead stoat like John MacDonald proclaiming "free stuff and jobs for all under glorious communism" 

 

what he neglects to mention is that it will also be hte only option once the great commissariat has finished seizing the means of production and forced everyone to work at the point of a gun regardless of aptitude....

 

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@nanotm wrote: 

my kids are currently employed, when the minimum wage goes up to £10/hr 2 out of the 3 will be let go due to their age and the fact under 18's can be hired on as apprentices at the rate of £4/hr.... no doubt they will follow many of their brethren into a life of crime sicne there are so few other options.... and its getting worse not better, year on year the same instability grows, those at the top deny it (because they are insulated from it) those at the bottom are angry and those in the middle feel put upon  


Yup, I couldn't agree more. The worse it gets the more determined those at the top seem to become to bodge things better - making it better for themselves and the history books while making it so much worse for everyone else who become ever more desperate in order to survive.

Interestingly I saw these today on the forums (dare I say it?) favourite news site (that does of course work both ways - you like or favourite to hate):

 

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Admittedly i've not checked the validity of either story on any other news site but but the headlines certainly make you wonder what is goong on these days.

Going back to your quote I also worry about my little lads future. I thought mine was bleak, he'll have it even harder as he doesn't even have a singe grandparent and his mums mum died of ovarian cancer at 44. His mum is now 33 so she could be gone in another decade and i'm not in great health either.

I need to stop posting on this forum.. think this is my 3rd in a week. Not good.. crawling back under my rock..

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