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win7xp
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Greed or need

Is a barrister entitled to £180 per hour

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8676529.stm
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Re: Greed or need

All lawyers are very adept at squeezing every penny out of their unfortunate customers knowing that they have no competition. I had a 50 pound bill for just a compliments slip once!
SRD
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Re: Greed or need

Whilst not intending to justify the rate remember that a barrister has to find premises and employ staff out of that fee.
win7xp
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Re: Greed or need

and so does an MP  Smiley
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I haven't read TFA, but perhaps he's a particularly good Barrister?
Also bear in mind the enormous cost of becoming a barrister in terms of education, training and work experience.  Then the fact that they are essentially consultants, spending a lot of time travelling in between their billable 'work' hours.  They are also generally self-employed (although they are trending towards being employed nowadays) and with that the lack of guaranteed income.
I've billed myself out at £900 a day plus expenses before, for on-site development programming (and that was about the going rate a few years back), and that's around £110 per hour.  For a business, I suspect £180 an hour for a good barrister is a drop in the ocean?
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SRD
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Re: Greed or need

Quote from: win7xp
and so does an MP  Smiley
Nope,  an MP's premises are provided in parliament by tax payers and in his constituency by his local party, he can readily share parliamentary secretarial and research facilities and locally by his constituency services, he can rely on unpaid researchers and 'interns'.
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Think we're missing the point. The £180 an hour relates to Legal Aid work, hence the bill is picked up by the tax-payer, not the plantiff/client
£180 (or Barry's £900 per day) is fine if the client is willing to pay. But here the tax payer has no choice.
scootie
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Re: Greed or need

legal aid has a cap on how much can be earned i belive. hence why the top boys/girls work for clients with big wallets so they can charge what they like.
SRD
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Quote from: journeys
Think we're missing the point. The £180 an hour relates to Legal Aid work, hence the bill is picked up by the tax-payer, not the plantiff/client
£180 (or Barry's £900 per day) is fine if the client is willing to pay. But here the tax payer has no choice.

So you think that when people work for the government (or thye tax payer if you prefer) they should charge less than when they work for individuals or companies?
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So you think that when people work for the government (or thye tax payer if you prefer) they should charge less than when they work for individuals or companies?

No not at all, would suggest "legal Aid" work be subject to the same tender process as all government manpower contracts.
SRD
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Re: Greed or need

And what do we do with poor buggers who are up on a charge, banged up on remand at great cost to the taxpayer, whilst the barrister and the government go through a legal tendering process?
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SImple "call off" order, if we admit there will always be Legal Aid, put out to Tender say 250 hours of 'legal aid', barristers tender for the 250 hours, have a rolling tender process.
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SRD
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Re: Greed or need

Who's going to check that the barrister actually puts in the hours?  The vast majority of a barrister's work is looking up previous cases, applying case law and other 'behind the scenes' work.  It you add the travel times between courts, prisons, solicitors etc. 250 hours ain't very much and if we have to employ a civil servant to follow them around to make sure that they are actually using all those hours it's going to cost even more.
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Re: Greed or need

Who checks that they're doing the hours now?
SRD
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Re: Greed or need

This article from the Independent explains a bit about the way their stuff is checked, but it's based on the already agreed fees, if that agreement is thrown out and left as a free for all to negotiate, a different system of agreeing fees and hours would also be required.