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Good news in the Chancellors Autumn Statement?

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Good news in the Chancellors Autumn Statement?

Best news is that the Labour party may finally be moved to find themselves a new shadow chancellor. But will Ed Miliband have the stomach for it.
Ed should stay though, he's one of the Tory's best assets.
Otherwise seems all good news, lets wait to see what the small print shows up.
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Re: Good news in the Chancellors Autumn Statement?

Eh!!
Where did that one come from  Shocked
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hmm,
not sure that's the take that the media have been spinning with, they seem far more intent to make it appear that George is a deluded individual and are keen to point out that there's no proof anything is working as advertised (which is rather similar to Ed's proclamation in parliament)
clearly there is a lot of delusional thinking going on with both sides, that said Ed's apparent inflexibility of thinking (everything needs to be driven by greater central spending and unfundable debt acquisition) versus George's flexible time line for debt reduction, if Ed were truly trying to act in the greatest interests of the country surely he would of revised his outlook in the same way that George has done.
but in broad terms only the overall reduction in borrowing going forwards will allow the country to get back onto an even keel and that will only work if its funded by the people through national industries providing masses of jobs and somehow encouraging the unwashed masses out of there front rooms and into work, something neither of them seems to have a coherent method of causing to happen without resorting to nationalising infrastructure companies (which would require massive amounts of new borrowing to finance and organise into a better structure) like phone, rail, gas, electric, water & sewage and environmental services, rather than the current contracted out or private ownership race to being the most expensive service provider & minimalist employer....
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Re: Good news in the Chancellors Autumn Statement?

Having read a number of papers this morning it appears the Autumn Statement was well received.  It was a positive statement to get the country moving forward again. There was a little aid for a number of areas that should help.
@ Petlew, I agree with you about Balls.  He is an asset to the Tories and I'm sure they would welcome his continuance in his post.  I don't think Milibund has the guts to move him anyway.
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I doubt milipeed has the guts to wipe his own backside without approval ratings giving him the nod and a few happy back slaps from party lackeys if he did he would of muzzled quite a few idiotic members of his own front bench who have been doing wonders for the Tories cause.
I also agree that Osborn is going in the right direction, time will tell if his current round of measures are short or long term success stories, clearly allowing a company to employ under 21's without the need to pay NI contributions will boost the numbers of youth employment, but will that be a short term boost that ends as they become 21? time will tell on that one and I'm sure a lot of short term contracts will be used to avoid breaking employment laws ......

its a shame they wont complete the transfer to universal credit before 2017, I'm certain a lot of people affected would like ot know where they stand going forwards sooner rather than later, and clearly getting rid of wasteful legacy packages is required, whilst I appreciate some will find the whole process rather distressing getting everyone into the same boat so that the scaremongering can stop will certainly ease current pressures and worries for many.
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Re: Good news in the Chancellors Autumn Statement?

Yes, I think the NI move for the under 21s is a good move. Also his move to insist all school-leavers have a minimum reading/writing/arithmetic skill before being allowed to claim benefits is a good move and hopefully will help more youngsters to find work.
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Re: Good news in the Chancellors Autumn Statement?

Out of curiosity are there any Conservative voters here who think the autumn statement was bad.
And are there any Labour voters who think it was good.
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.  I don't think Miliband has the guts to move him anyway.

Little to do with guts more like he has got too much on him.
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Yes, I think the NI move for the under 21s is a good move. Also his move to insist all school-leavers have a minimum reading/writing/arithmetic skill before being allowed to claim benefits is a good move and hopefully will help more youngsters to find work.

the minimum skill level could also be used to bar immigrants from obtaining such services until they are also conversant enough in English, which given the way the system is geared to work right now might well prove disastrous particularly when you consider the plight of some of the people arriving here specifically to seek asylum, if that is the plan I do hope there is also a tandem move to rework the way the system currently works.

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I think things could of been better (maybe a few more wider general concessions) but then I don't have access to all the facts and figures, no doubt also the best announcements are being saved for the spring once a winter of discontent is out of the way, but if that's true its a dangerous game, if this was meant to be inspirational its fallen rather short of the mark a problem that isn't helped by Clegs recent announcement in parliament or the inflammatory campaign being launched by labour clearly designed to promote civil unrest, its worse than it could of been though from a labour point of view particularly when taken along with the idiotic outburst of ~foot in mouth~ exhibited by Ed Balls immediately after Osborne sat down

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that goes both ways though, they are both totally ignoring there own deceit of the wider public when it comes to things the current shadow cabinet did during labours time in power, never mind covering up each others skeletons
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Yes, I think the NI move for the under 21s is a good move. Also his move to insist all school-leavers have a minimum reading/writing/arithmetic skill before being allowed to claim benefits is a good move and hopefully will help more youngsters to find work.
At risk of being totally politically incorrect
What happens to those school leavers who don't have the requisite skill because they are mentally incapable of achieving it
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they are exempt under the mental health act and continue as currently to proceed onto a life of welfare support (and rightly so because we must protect the most vulnerable members of society) well I say proceed but of course the vast majority will already have been receiving a lot of help and support from a young age
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Re: Good news in the Chancellors Autumn Statement?

I'm assuming he was referring to ordinary school leavers who haven't been bothered to pick up these skills whilst at school.
If an individual is mentally incapable he/she would be receiving specialist care and be getting some form of disability benefit.
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Re: Good news in the Chancellors Autumn Statement?

Checking into this - according to the Guardian this statement isn't accurate
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Yes, I think the NI move for the under 21s is a good move. Also his move to insist all school-leavers have a minimum reading/writing/arithmetic skill before being allowed to claim benefits is a good move and hopefully will help more youngsters to find work.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/05/autumn-statement-key-points-george-osborne-live
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Funding for Jobcentres to support 16- and 17-year-olds in finding apprenticeships or traineeships. Jobseekers aged 18 to 21 without basic maths or English will be required to undertake training in these skills or lose their benefits. There will be a requirement for jobseekers aged 18 to 21 to start a traineeship, work experience or community work after six months or lose their benefits. HM Revenue and Customs will fund employers directly for apprenticeships with an extra 20,000 higher apprenticeships over next two years.
which puts a totally different complexion on it
However this headline is, in my opinion, totally stupid and just shows the incompetence of either journalists or the person who briefed them http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10498301/Autumn-Statment-2013-Improve-your-maths-or-lose-yo...
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Treasury says young people who do not have GCSE level maths and English will have to start studying 'from day one' or risk losing their benefits
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Re: Good news in the Chancellors Autumn Statement?

Your bold highlighting seems to be what we were saying.  That's what I heard him say on TV yesterday.
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Re: Good news in the Chancellors Autumn Statement?

It certainly isn't what you said
Being required to undertake training or lose benefits is totally different to having a minimum reading/arithmetic skill as a pre-condition to claiming benefits