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Good bye Windows !

This is not a "techy" question , or a problem, so I am posting in General Chat....

 

Way back. I got "interested" in Linux Mnt... that was when it was in early stages and Version 8 was the current version.

Due to the soaking up of WIndows operating system, since windows 3.1 on floppy discs,...  and the way that windows worked, I struggled, I also wanted several "windows type" programs to run on the Linux operating system.  Some of them did, but it needed a lot of what is called " terminal work"   ( or "command line" )... which I had no idea about..

I did make several posts at various times,asking for help with things, and  I progressed through the Mint series, and as time progressed, so did my "confidence" in using the terminal, and trying to "get to grips" with how it worked, 

WINE became more user friendly ( that is an app, not the bottles of the stuff) and it was easier to get SOME of my favourite programs working.

Around about Linux Mint 13... I started to "dual boot" with Linux as a "kind of " back up for windows, as , it is possible to access the windows folders through LInux MINT.... ( even if you use  "live stick" usb installation ! )... so it was great, that if my windows decided to not boot up... I still had a useable laptop...

Time moves on.... and the current version of Linux MINT is 19.1 ( I think...  poss 19.2 )  also WINE has been extensively updated from its original, to the current version of 4.0.. so that makes using WIndows type progs on LINUX much easier.

So easy, that you just download, whatever prog it is.... and use the normal " windows type" install procedure,..

.  if it works... then you get the icon on the desktop... as normal...

if not... well... you may find there is an alternative already installed, or available in the Linux software manager department on the home page menu.

For those programs that do not run in Linux WINE configuration....

the best way to go about this is NOT to do a DUAL BOOT,   but to run Windows in a VIrtual Box.... Virtual Box 6 is current version.  

Install Virtual Box 6 .... start it up from the icon on the desktop... and then you "install" your version of Windows from the CDROM, (dvd) or whatever  as if you were installing a new copy on a new hard drive.

. Once installed, and started in the normal way... you should get all the updates.... ... after a while...( about 30 days ) ...you may get the message that you may be the subject of a pirate copy.... don`t worry...  it will still work ! ... and if you want... you can go down the road of "registering" or whatever to make it "legal" .

You may have to "tweek" some bits and pieces .... such as getting your USB stick to work... so that you can transfer stuff from and to your windows in a virtual box environment. (  ask questions on google, or on this forum )

You can also download and do everything you normally do, on your current windows operating system, while it is running in the virtual box.... so, those progs that won`t run in Linux MINT ... you just download and install them on your windows as normal... 

When you NEED to use those odd windows progs....

You do not have to close down LInux  > reboot to windows... to use them...

You just click on the Virtual Box icon on your desktop, and windows opens for you as if you were booting up normally.... Close down windows in the normal way... and you are back on LINUX ....without having to reboot again...

PERFECT ! ...and so much quicker to change from one operating system to the other..

With Linux Mint 19.1 running for the past 4 months as my main operating system, I have only had to resort to Windows 7 on the Virtual Box twice.. !  . to use my Document writer, MS publisher 98.. which will not run on Linux.

It does take some time to get set up and running... and help is always available from the many Linux users on this forum.. so when WINDOWS 7  stops being supported by Microsoft JANUARY 19 2020... it will not be a problem for me.... 

Linux Mint seems to boot up very quickly, compared to my Windows 7 Pro...  I have not got any anti-virus running... and don`t seem to have any issues/problems with that ...

 

Hope that this little story, will help some of you, to make the change... and say "Good bye to Windows"... especially if you dislike windows 10 and the way that Microsoft is going forward....

 

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http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/microsofts-new-operating-system-based-on-linux

 

Liked windows 7 but not windows 10,  but microsoft are basing their new operating system on Linux....... one problem I can see with thast is that as Linux becomes more widespread the bad guys will start writing malware for it...  I have used Linux on a raspberry Pi for a couple of years now with Libre Office and Libre CAD and they run OK even from a Pi using WiFi ( built in on later Pi's )....

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Re: Good bye Windows !

Fully agree about Linux.

At times I do get a bit lazy and copy & paste instructions into the terminal if they are longer than a line.

Recently updated from Mint 19.1 to 19.2 with no problems.

Always use Linux when on line and never windows

I should make a effort to understand more Linux instructions but it serves my needs well.

 

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I use friendly Linux.  It's called Chromebook.

Now Zen, but a +Net residue.
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Re: Good bye Windows !

Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole @AlaricAdair. Why? Because it's Google.

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Re: Good bye Windows !


@gleneagles wrote:

Fully agree about Linux.

At times I do get a bit lazy and copy & paste instructions into the terminal if they are longer than a line.

I should make a effort to understand more Linux instructions but it serves my needs well.

 


 

 

Nothing wrong with copy and paste on the terminal....... at least you get it right first time... and don`t miss a space, or a dot or something equally not obvious, that messes it all up... ! ...

 

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I agree @shutter 

 

I have a choice of Ten Virtual machines on Linux, with VirtualBox, including Windows 7, Windows 10, LinuxMint - MATE Edition, pfSence firewall, Raspberry Pi Desktop (for PC and Mac) and more. I can run two or 3 of them simultaneously and still watch streaming TV on BBC iPlayer or Amazon Prime Video at the same time, on the one Linux machine.

And I only have 6GB of RAM.

Ubuntu-MATE 18.04 never uses more than 2GB, so I can set both Windows 7 & 10 to 2GB each and it never exceeds the 6GB total.

 

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There are no easy answers to the OS conundrum.  The big advantage of windows is that many programs going back many years are backward conpatible and will not run on Linux anyway.  Linux may well be free but it is quite fiddly - I set it up declining a password as I was the only user for nothing confidential. When I wanted to change a basic setting it would not do it without a password and I had to delve into the OS to create one.

Microsoft offered a free upgrade to W10 but  I never took advantage of it as all my programs worked fine and they would all have to be reloaded.  Now that W7 is about to expire it will be interesting to see their approach to this changeover.  Apple do it with a new version release that integrates itself into an existing system keeping the programs. The downside is that eventually they pull the plug on, say, iPad OSs, and everything becomes obsolete.

I have a Windows PC, an Apple iPad, and an Android phone.  I don't trust any of them enough to commit everything to one source.  I might have another go with Mint on a separate hard drive. Anyone suggest a VPN and encryption software?

 

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Re: Good bye Windows !

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There are no easy answers to the OS conundrum.  The big advantage of windows is that many programs going back many years are backward conpatible and will not run on Linux anyway.

 

WINE is the answer.....  !    not the bottled type.... but an "app"  that can be installed on LINUX and MAC machines...to enable MANY  ( but not all ) windows type  programs/applications.

 

I have only ONE from many years of Windows, that will not run with WINE... but... as in my original post .. I use a Virtual Box, in which I can access WINDOWS 7 Pro from an ICON on the Desktop.. that means I do not have to shut down linux and reboot into windows, just to run that one program... ( there are a couple of others, but I use the Linux alternatives for them ) .

Once you have installed  VIrtual Box6 on your linux platform... you just access it from the icon.... and then use your DVD Windows version to install it, ( as if installing on a new hard drive ).. . once installed, and connected to the internet.. it will download all the updates  .... and work exactly the same .... ( you can even use older versions of windows, as the updates are not really needed)    ......     as you say... WIN 7 will not be updated after jan 19 next year... ... but... if you are using LInux as your main O.S. as I am... then you only need Windows as a host for those progs that you cannot get running on Linux... so the updates do not matter at all ) ..

 

  Linux may well be free but it is quite fiddly - I set it up declining a password as I was the only user for nothing confidential. When I wanted to change a basic setting it would not do it without a password and I had to delve into the OS to create one.

 

So long as you can stick with the Linux apps, then there is no "fiddly" about it,... it is only "fiddly" when you need to do something a bit out of the normal... !  Yeah... I know... I have had many sessions doing this... but over the years. I have managed to get help with most things on this forum. and eventually things have worked out.

 

Fiddly, does include , how to get WINE working on various Linux platforms... but again... there is usually a page on Google search that will give you everything you need to know..  right down to the whole process of the "fiddly"  terminal ( command line ) work needed.

 Fiddly does include getting the USB to work on Windows, in  the Virtual box... but again... Google is your friend, if not   someone on this forum can also be your friend.. !

 

 

Microsoft offered a free upgrade to W10 but  I never took advantage of it as all my programs worked fine and they would all have to be reloaded. 

 

Windows10 was declined by me...because several of the "features" in WIndows 7 were removed... and I used those features quite a lot... 

Also... reading this forum... from the start, and even up to now... there seems to be a great deal of "teething problems" that should have been foreseen before W10 was released to the public..  so... another reason was that it was such a mess, and could cause problems that the guy in the street had no idea what was going on... nor how to effect a cure ! .

 

Now that W7 is about to expire it will be interesting to see their approach to this changeover. 

 

I suspect their approach will be to say... OK... WIn 7 is not a viable O.S. from this date... you had your chance of a FREE update to Win 10 when it came out... if you missed that.... then...... tough.... buy a copy of Win 10 and live with it....

 

 I might have another go with Mint on a separate hard drive. Anyone suggest a VPN and encryption software?

 


The latest version of Linux MInt is excellent to get WINE working.... ( google .. how to..... the latest version is 4.0  )  once installed, you just download the normal Windows version of your desired progs, and use the normal "install shield" procedures to install it on Linux Mint...

 

If that install does not actually work.... then it`s off to the Virtual Box 6 installation ( icon on desktop, remember ???) and open your version of windows to use that program .... almost seamlessly.  just a couple of icon clicks extra to access it ! ..

 

Give it a go.... and start enjoying your computer again ! ! ! ....

 

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@shutter wrote:

Give it a go.... and start enjoying your computer again ! ! ! ....


All good advice. Thank you.

I would like to have the time and energy to enjoy LIFE - and I don't even have to go to work!

 

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@TeeGee wrote:

 

 

Microsoft offered a free upgrade to W10 but  I never took advantage of it as all my programs worked fine and they would all have to be reloaded.  Now that W7 is about to expire it will be interesting to see their approach to this changeover. 


@TeeGee 

I didn't upgrade to Win10 when offered either, mainly due to all the 'Gotchas' and MS snooping issues being discussed at the time (and since), so I have next to no experience of it (apart from doing a few minor fixes for friends on their laptops).

It wouldn't surprise me if there's still a free upgrade path if you wish to do that, and I do recall reading something about that a year or so ago - I think I saved a link.  I'm probably leaving it a bit late but that's what I'll most likely be at least trying, after I've done some reading up on how to get around some of those gotchas etc. on various forums.

I've got some Win10 ISOs saved somewhere, but here's a link which may be useful to you;

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

 

I make regular backup images so if a Win10 upgrade doesn't go to my liking it'll be simple to roll back to Win7 and try things a different way.  I hate doing a fresh install and having to re-install all my software and settings, so I'll avoid that if at all possible, although I may end up doing a temporary fresh install of Win10 on another SSD for testing whilst trying to avoid the pitfalls and finding how to exclude certain 'features', although I'm not sure how Win10 activation works.

I'm probably facing a steep learning curve.

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and here I am preferring to stick to win7 64bit lol.

I use vmware to run my VMs, principle is the same though - as i've mooted many times on this forum over the years. I don't really keep any linux VMs though, just older WinXP VMs for specialist stuff that i can't be faffed installed on 7 only to knacker another bit of software (eg just in time debugging).

Anyway i find Win7 will keep rumbling for over a month quite happily and that's my basic machine with just one proccy core and 4GB ram. Eventually it'll get tired... after having left chrome running continuously for that month lol. The bigger rig (8 cores, 16GB ram) will probably keep going forever but i can't be bothered with the vacuum cleaner sound it generates so rarely use it but it'll run multiple VMs without any hassle - most i've had running being 5 or 6 and still had 6GB ram left to use lol.

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