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Go electric they said..

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Go electric they said..

But nothing about leaving us in the cold for it. Turning off people's heating.. What a disgrace..
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/bills/article-8706033/Smart-meters-used-switch-electricity-without...

Either the government or daily mail should be ashamed of themselves
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Re: Go electric they said..

As I understand it the current meters cannot do this, it’s the third generation of meters that will have this capability.

Only a fool would have one of these fitted providing of course they had that choice.

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Re: Go electric they said..

Strikes me that this is typical journalist talking up sensible ways to handle peak usage situations. I believe that some large organisations have very similar arrangement in place where, for example, air conditioning can be shut down for a short period.

Some devices such as electric storage heaters and electric car chargers could well be switched off at times of peak network usage, which will invariably be during the day, for a short period.

The promotion of this concept to a proposal that the plan is to switch off every-ones gas central heating all day and leave the population freezing to death whilst they can't use their electric car to get to work is frankly ridiculous.

We have to admit it, we are running out of generation capacity to deal with peak electricity demands and the sensible way to deal with this as well as bringing more capacity on lime is to be smarter at managing the load.

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The Virus has given massive impetus to extending state control over every aspect of our lives. Nobody took any notice when George Orwell (an Eton educated socialist!!) wrote 1984 and Animal Farm. We are constantly being threatened and warned as to what will happen to us if we do not comply. Project Fear works!

If the government want us to use more electricity then they have to supply it at the correct volume and a reasonable price. They have already successfullt reversed the priciple of a health service by conditioning us to believe it is the service to be "saved" not the people who pay for it! The same is happening to all other services.

When you hear the word "Smart" from any provider of a service you can rest assured it will not be for your benefit.  Be very afraid.......

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Work is actually being done to provide more electricity.  There has been an amazing project in N Wales this week to deliver a new massive transformer to Trawsfynydd (although I thought the power station was decommissioned years ago).

It was landed on the beach from a huge barge at low tide with military precision.

Photos HERE.

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@7up 

In many cases there is no alternative, but putting all you heating needs into one basket needs some thought and to be totally reliant on one single source of energy? Well we can all see how the world can turn upside down in an instant and like losing your job, going into lockdown or your partner running off with the postman, well who would have expected that eh.

Nothing clever about m'self far from it, but when we renovated our place there was no way we were going to rely on just one source so we made sure we had (bottled) gas for the dual gas/electric cooker, a wood burner for our main source of heat and electric storage heaters for winter use.

Sure we could have our power cut but we'd still be able to keep warm for a good while and besides, my generation managed well enough without the internet or a phone. No car so we walked or caught a bus, no money so it was beans on toast... again, no national health service when I was born yet here I am, and candles still kept at the back of the kitchen draw and yep, I still have my old Grans brass holder should I need to light my way to bed.

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So you turn me off if you want to Mr Energy Network, I'll be fine..... I think.  😉 

 


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@TeeGee 

... and yet Hitachi's plans for a multi £billion nuclear power Wylfa Newydd project on Anglesy in north Wales have been scrapped.

Not that I was a fan of it but still, lets hope they can find something to feed that transformer!

 


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Re: Go electric they said..

In a power cut, I find head torches are the best method of illumination.

If you don't have any, buy some now before the price shoots up.

 

Batteries also of course.

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@Lægen 

Just a bit of Bostick blu-tack and stick a mobile phone on our foreheads. 😋


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The warehouse im based in, all the forklift battery chargers are all linked in to a control computer which will shut the chargers off between 4.30pm until 7pm to reduce demand on the electrical supply grid at that peak time.

I'll have a count later & see how many chargers we have.
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@gleneagles wrote:

As I understand it the current meters cannot do this, it’s the third generation of meters that will have this capability.


As I understand it 2nd gen meters already have this facility, but most suppliers think it's too dangerous -

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Can my supply be turned off remotely?
Smart meters have the facility to remotely disconnect and reconnect both the electricity and gas supply. However most suppliers seem to have decided it is too dangerous to remotely disconnect or reconnect, as in the case of disconnection they cannot always be sure that the customer isn't relying on a supply for serious health reasons and in the case of reconnection the customer may have left a cooker on for example.
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What I don't understand is how a 3rd gen meter can cut off heating or car charging without cutting off the whole house, unless we're all forced to have all new 'smart' appliances.

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@Minivanman 

Not sure where I read it but I am sure there was a proposal that log burners were to be discontinued, a bit like no more new gas central boilers to be made after a certain date....

Unlikely to affect people of out age but a time will come when it will either be illegal to use certain appliances or the tax on the fuel so high only the very rich or determined will continue to use them.

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@gleneagles 

Only in certain smoke control areas (and ours is not one of them) and only then if it is not 'kiln dried'.

It's how I understand it anyway but as you say at our age it will not have any affect. 

 


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Well EDF kept writing to me. I know it costs 1 paaand and 50p per letter as where I used to work, I had to upload a 500Mb XML file daily to my companies provider. Easy work, aside from when the the file was unavailable and I had to mess around in the morning. Once it is available (massive when) then fine.

I hate it when companies try to spin e-billing as it is to help save the planet, when it is actually to save them money. Does them reducing costs get passed onto you. No.

So after numerous efforts of them writing to me, blagging about "Smart Meters". How they will help save the planet et al. When I recently changed to monthly billing. I asked them, well can I get them, they said "No they're not available in your area". Well why do you write to me offering them?

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Re: Go electric they said..

I've held off having a smart meter, I moved to a company who doesn't support them. Rumour control a while back was mumbling that smart meters were a way to control how much consumers used by varying the unit amount you pay. If there was high demand, the cost would go up, encouraging people to turn off, I suppose a bit like airline websites work!