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Getting the Whole UK Online

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Getting the Whole UK Online

Martha Lane Fox is the UKs "digital champion" and today she has been presenting her plans to the Prime Minister to get the 10 million people who are not online to be so. 
Getting the UK online

This is a bold plan but will it work?
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Re: Getting the Whole UK Online

eventually, probably.
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I wonder how many of the 10M people are not interested in going online  Undecided
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A very high proportion, and who pays for the PC? and phone line if they dont have one
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I wonder how many of the 10M people are not interested in going online  Undecided

Yep, that's my thought exactly.  Not *everyone* wants a computer.  Some people actually like writing letters!
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I have personal experience of the problem in getting "older" people to take an interest in getting on line. We have offered my mother (now in her 80s)  a basic PC on numerous occasions (we even set one up for her about 5 years ago ... but she gave it away!!) so that we can at least communicate by email and send her photos of family events as she is not physically able to attend - but she just will not get involved - she now is in sheltered accomodation - I doubt if any of the other residents are on line either!!
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I don't think it is a sensible use of money in the present economic climate.
To be fair to MLF, however, in an interview yesterday on LBC she said she was going to work with companies such as Microsoft who would fund the equipment.
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I'm becoming heartily tired of reading or hearing guru-speak from Martha Lane Fox. I think she hasn't a clue what real people want, though she has plenty of ideas (mostly of a rather idealistic motherhood and apple pie nature) that she seems to want to impose on all of us.
She has been quoted as saying that you cannot be a functioning member of society unless you are doing it via the net (or words to that effect). Frankly, anyone that holds this type of view, which effectively discounts a chunk of ordinary, normal people just because they don't do something that you want, does not deserve to be given the prominence that she is receiving.
As for the idea of a totally net-enabled society. That's fine, so long as nobody forced into using it - which is slowly but surely starting to happen unfortunately. I have some sympathy with people that are not interested in owning or using a computer, I see no reason why they should have to do so. I have a professional background in IT stretching back to the late 1970s, so I understand computers and I don't fear them (except perhaps when they are misused), but that does not mean I want my personal details stored all over the net by everybody and his dog where it can be easily exposed to whole world by error when some techno-muppet who hasn't the first idea about information security makes a mistake.
I want the right to be able to choose when I do and don't do things via the net and I want everyone else to be able to do so to; and I don't like being told I'm not a full member of society for wanting that.
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I have no problem with internet access being made available to all but I accept it is up to the individual as to whether they use it or not.  There is no need to supply PCs to those who do not own one.  Free access is available in most libraries. 
Also where I live there is a computer centre where residents can go to use PCs and also get free help with using a large selection of programmes. They have about 12 PCs and a MAC.  There is a person in attendance to offer any help that is needed.
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Unsurprisingly, it's people over 65 who are least likely to be online

Ok..I'm not quite 65 (62) but I do try to be online as often as I can Embarrassed

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But quite a high proportion, when questioned in a recent survey about why they didn't use the internet, said simply "it's not for me".

Isn't that a simple case of 'you can't really say until you've tried it'.

I do believe that internet access will become 'one of the standard services' that people expect to be available exactly like gas, electricity and water.
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I always thought that the 'Silver Surfers' were a significant group in the total internet users.  Undecided
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Does "internet user" mean someone who has an expensive games console?  Grin

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From BBC Breakfast this morning:
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sound like the Con/lib need an IT specialist to advise then the facts of life  -
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[quote=Strat]I do believe that internet access will become 'one of the standard services' that people expect to be available exactly like gas, electricity and water.
Absolutely, but it also needs to be up to the job now and in the foreseeable future.
What we have now has major shortcomings -
1)  BT are rolling out the 21CN project which DOES NOT SUPPORT IPv6 when IPv4 addresses are predicted to expire in 363 days http://www.ipv4countdown.com/
2)  The government speed target of 2Mb is pitiful, they should be aiming for a minimum of 10Mb.  The existing target is like the government saying all houses have got to have electricity, which you would obviously expect to be 240volts 50Hertz and come with sufficient current carrying capacity.  A broadband target of 2Mb (which falls off to nothing in the evenings) is the equivalent of being told that while waiting for your local power generating station to be built, that you have to use batteries instead !.
3)  Many potential users are often reluctant to be connected to the internet because the media is full of horror stories about identity theft, and innocent people being threatened by court action by the likes of ACS:Law.  Therefore in order to get more people online, the solution needs to have an element of education, and also for ISPs to be more proactive in not rolling over and handing out personal information to unscrupulous companies out to make a quick buck !