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Re: General Election

LM chair Ivor Caplin told the JC: “It appears Boris Johnson has a distinct lack of understanding of logic.

“Antisemitism exists on the left and on the right. He’d be better placed to criticise Labour’s appalling handling of its antisemitism crisis if he was not courting those who have enabled right wing antisemitism to seep into the mainstream.”

Mr Johnson reportedly met with Steve Bannon last week during the latter's visit to London. 

Mr Bannon used to be the editor of Breitbart, a far-right news site. During his tenure, the site ran a number of articles using antisemitic language to criticise prominent Jews. Bill Kristol, a Jewish conservative writer, was labelled a “renegade Jew”, while Anne Applebaum, the Jewish writer and historian, was described as helping to further “attempts to impose a globalist worldview on citizenries that reject it… hell hath no fury like a Polish, Jewish, American elitist scorned.”

 

 

 

Have a read, what do you think?

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and I'll make my position clear

 

I think anyone targeting any person or group of people even simply using a persons religion, personal spiritual beliefs, sexuality, ethnicity or place of origin ... let alone based on

is not just abhorrent

- it is one of the most horrendous crimes that can be committed - and Not just because it emboldens, empowers and attempts to excuse other atrocities against entire groups of people.

 

 

In even simpler terms:

* Did the holocaust happen

- it certainly did

 

* Was it excusable in any way

- it absolutely wasn't and absolutely isnt

 

* Was it monstrous, utterly inhuman and an un-erasable blot on humanities record

- it certainly was

 

* Should it be unreservedly and universally condemned and abhorred

- it certainly should.

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: General Election


@adrianscotter wrote:

... Well, we have Jo Swinson that immediately alienated 50% plus of the population when she categorically stated 'we will revoke article 50 and stay in the EU'.  ...🚀


@adrianscotter So 50% of the population wera alienated by Swinson's remarks. Do we take that as a 2% swing to Stay, as around 52% voted to leave? Things may be looking for the realm and @RobC 😈😃

No one has to agree with my opinion, but in the time I have left a miracle would be nice.
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More accurately a 2% swing from the 18% or so who want a hard Brexit ...

 

Now they have an idea of what it really looks like..

 

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Nope, just means more votes to go to everyone else. What do we think the overall turnout might be?  Maybe 65%?

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Having just watched all the Labour Party launch for the Election, from Battersea, I can see the appeal of "Transformer's" but, my reservation is the cost and inflation. 🙄 

So, with exactly six weeks to go, what's your view?

 

Nice to see the BBC has a General election 2019: A really simple guide

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49826655

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A quick read, which is all the time it should take for us to await  @Minivanman and @wotsup and @the-usual-suspects personal utter condemnation of anti-semitism and holocaust denial specifically, and xenophobic prejudice generally ...

 

Surely in at least as strong terms as I have ......

 

 

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News flash - Corbyn has decided that if he wins he will negotiate a great deal with the EU whereby we stay in single market and customs union, won't be able to set up any trade deals and will not have a say in  EU decision making and will be rule takers.  But the good news is that having negotiated this great deal that does not allow him to give state aid to industry or nationalise anything he will then instruct his party to vote against it in parliament.... he truly is a man of vision ( but not 20/20 more like 20/40 ),

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@RobC 

So many rebuttals.

The poster doth protest too much, methinks.

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@RobC 

I doubt anyone on this forum would disagree with the points you make about anti-semitism, holocaust denial or xenophobic remarks etc.....

I am just a bit puzzled why you think it relevant to raise such a issue in respect of specific posters ?

No doubt they will answer themselves but to me it seems you are moving off the question posed in the initial post.

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Back on subject. It will be interesting to see what hapens with our constituancy as originally was staunch labour but a few elections ago Lib Dems won it and we had a very good MP who worked hard for the area. In the 2017 election mainly due to the student vote Labour won it back. In this one it with the students mainly back home will the Lib Dems win it back and will the Brexit party stand and the Conservitives stand aside as they always came a distant 3rd and give them a chance to win. The constituancy voted remain (about 68%) in the referendum so will probably be between Labour and Lib Dems but it will be intresting to see...You never Know!!! 😃

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Re: General Election


@nozzer wrote:

Extract from the Law and Policy Blog..   makes me wonder why they did it, especially as it's likely to end in another hung parliament.

 

The government had recently obtained a second reading from Members of Parliament for its Withdrawal Agreement Bill.

This was a significant moment, as it meant that the House of Commons, for the first time since the 2016 referendum, had voted positively in respect of Brexit. Until then there had been a majority for avoiding No Deal but not for any positive version of a Deal.

A Withdrawal Agreement Bill given a second reading is more likely than not to proceed to a third reading, although there would no doubt have been amendments. A reasonable period of time would have been needed for proper scrutiny, say of about a month or so. With a fair parliamentary wind, all the stages of the Bill could have been completed by, say, mid-December. In other words, there could realistically have been a Withdrawal Agreement Act in place by the date of the general election.

But this government, which supposedly wants to “get Brexit done”, has chosen to have a general election instead, and so will lose valuable weeks in which the Bill could have been scrutinised and Brexit achieved.

This demonstrates that the current government’s priority cannot be to “get Brexit done”.


funny they cant do anything without parliament saying yes, and its already said no dozens of times, so exactly how do they think the current government could do anything ???? 

 

and lets totally ignore the fact that the second attempt at presenting the bill was already refused by the speaker twice!

 

talk about inverting black and white !

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A precedent has been set by Remainers who lost the EU referendum in refusing to accept the result and working actively against it.  This of course is because the democratic result was not the "right" one.

The general election will produce a result of some sort and on the basis of the previous three years is there now any requirement for this result to be accepted by those who feel that it has not produced the correct result and they have lost!  There are plenty of opportunities for legal challenges and other actions.

The genie is out of the bottle. A comment on the radio this morning was that the more the liberal left and dictatorial EU tell us what to think and what to do, the further the man in the street is pushed to the political right. The middle ground is gone for good.

 

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@nanotm 

The positive voting had already started with the first reading of the Bill being accepted. That was the first time it had happened. I think the ball would have continued rolling with positive momentum.

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the only bills that have passed before the move towards a general election are, the remain propositions to prevent a no deal brexit and to force an application for an extension, the fact that the EU glibly received a letter without it being signed and proclaimed it was gladly handing over that 3 months extension just proves there was never any plan for brexit to happen....

 

there is zero possibility of brexit occurring without it screwing over the country as a whole thanks to a dodgy deal, far better to crash out with no deal and that applies to both the UK and the EU, the deal as proposed to parliament was opposed by the NI voters, and without them its a forgone conclusion that there will be no deal (the EU specified that the NI politicians must sign the agreement, either as a unified body under the storemont leader or as a majority within Westminster, and since the DUP had already said no, it couldn't happen regardless of actual numbers who later on decided to vote yes after the decision to move towards a general election was taken) and the fact that a hamstrung government had no option to do anything and every time they tried ot put forward any proposals there request was sidelined by the speaker of the house or voted down by the house... they literally had one option and that was to undo the latest round of bills (in fact there were some obscure legal options available to have the likes of mr benn and his supporters locked away for sedition and have the various bills struck from the books, which would then permit them to enter a period of closure and move forwards without needing the house to agree anything, but down that road a dark path lies) via an election and anyone who voted against the result of a general election can then be held accountable as a traitor to the nation (so yes I hope that boris actually runs on a no deal platform and wins but realistically thats just pie in the sky) regardless of what people vote ofr in this election its most likely that the results reported will all swing in one direction and that will be the way the first comrade tells his union stooges to move!

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