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Midnight_Caller
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Gambling out of control

Hi All
BBC Look North News - Crack Cocaine Of Gambling  - Video on YouTube
Gambling out of control in Middlesbrough, video clip was on Look North on 16/01/2014
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I don't think its as much the gambling thats out of control as it is the boredom and desperation for many people.
People will always try their luck at winning something when they're desperate. Sadly few of them ever realise that you only ever win when you don't need it or you're well off and have everything going for you. Those who need it or are desperate never win anything.
An old colleague of mine once said to me the easiest way to make money was to put a big bet on the horses as a first timer. His argument was that you're guaranteed to win as it's fate trying to addict you. Once you got that first win, walk away and never try again was his attitude - and he was a regular horse betting man who got drawn in by his first win  Crazy
I did quiz him about this theory and his attitude was simply "It's true, the first time you play you're more likely to win so it can draw you in to get you addicted". Have to hand it to him thats really not a bad way to play fate at its own game lol. Never did try it though..
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The thing is that the fruit machines today can and do have the payout percentage altered on the fly.
When I repaired fruit machines in the past, I would set it to payout what the owner wanted on the machine, one owner had the fruit machine to payout only 5%, I think it was weights and measures that controlled the payout %, I do know wen the machine was up for inspection the payout % would be altered, these days the machine or machines can be altered from the office or behind the counter on the fly.
Oh, by the way I got caught on Look North's camera.  Embarrassed
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the gambling regulations were torn up under the last government, limits on jackpots for machines were removed (used to be based on how much someone wanted to pay for the licence, now there's zero control over it)
gambling itself has always been a problem and someone would have had to travel a considerable distance to find a casino in order to bet on a jackpot above £25 in the past (most were fixed at £10 outside of casino's)
they also made it rather difficult in the legislation changes that de-regulated a lot of gambling to re-regulate it by tying various aspects of it into tax and finance legislation, in the full knowledge that problem gambling would occur (I remember the protest marches rather well when they were campaigning against the upcoming changes) but like a lot of things liabore did they passed the huge changes through private cabinet groups and bypassed the parliamentary process entirely removing any sanity checks that could otherwise have been applied
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RichAllen
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The only gambling we do is the National Lottery and occasional scratch cards.
But we did win £25 on Dad's numbers last night!
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At the start of 2014 Radio 4's You And Yours devoted large chunks of a few programmes and one whole programme to the issue of problem gambling.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qps9/episodes/player
Sad tales including those of very rich people losing careers, all their funds, families and even taking their own lives because they thought that they wanted more and instead lost all that they had. (This largely ignoring those "gambling" with investments and losing their shirts).
TORPC
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arnt gambling businesses supposed to be regulated, and have to state something about gamble responsible ?Huh
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@TORPC
maybe 10 years ago they were regulated now its all about offering leaflets (every gambling establishment has to have a leaflet dispenser about problem gambling somewhere for customers to take one for free) and having the gambling awareness logo on the bottom of any advertising
oh and of course they changed the reporting of wins over a certain figure by the establishment to being up to the winner (for taxation purposes) so your no longer short changed on any win by the compulsory deduction of tax.....not to mention reducing the rate of taxation on wins (used to be +10% at time of placing the bet or 25% deducted from the win) to encourage longevity in the gambling industry and of course growth, all at the same time as deregulating the lending industry (which allowed the creation of payday lenders) and a whole host of other measures designed to make it easier to get into trouble.
if liabor hadn't lost the last election you can pretty much guarantee nothing would be in the media about all these issues which if the Tories had half a brain they would be hammering home the point about it being milipeed and co.'s fault for creating the situation........
still at least there is a thriving new industry in counselling to indebted which in some respects has lead to the creation of a lot of jobs, then again I'd rather there were less counsellors earning popstar wages as specialists and far more everyday people working, something else that liabore is responsible for allowing to be the circumstance (because they removed the regulations that prevented contracting labour to overseas markets thus costing the uk millions of jobs)
then again pretty much everything milipeed and co. have spoken out about in the years since they lost the election has been problems they themselves created when they were in cabinet.......it will take a generation of proper management of the country to undo much of what they wrought, then again it will probably take that long just to undo all the unnecessary legislation they created that hamstrings people at every turn, all the while of course increasing benefits to make more and more totally dependant on welfare and less worried about the wider implications of societies devolution from near communist ideology into capitalist apathy, sadly the current government is to weak to actually rule effectively and even though it has taken a  few baby steps on the road to righting the wrongs of the last 25 years as things stand it clearly hasn't got the balls to do the job as required (but liabore is equally impotent in this regard as well)
and then of course you have the now frenzied masses near apoplectic in nationalist rhetoric voting in droves for the likes of UKIP which has got 1 good idea for every 100 totally disastrous ideas, and clearly they themselves view their good ideas as maybe never ones......
if only the Limpdems and the Tories had the sense to get back to the correct path as was laid in the 20's/30's/40's&50's when the country was brought back from the brink of capitalist created doom, survived 2 major conflicts (even if the cold war was all about secrets and lies rather than outright killing)  and then started in the 80's to dilute the near utopian society with mantra's about how great privatisation of everything was........totally mis-selling everything and ignoring the overall increased costs to the end user whilst profit chasing of the 17/1800's was embarked upon once again!
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From the OP link...
£600 in 6 minutes - I wish I had that sort of money to throw away.
What ever happened to people being responsible for themselves? They choose to go in, play the machines and now need to stop whining about their losses. I agree that people can become addicted to gambling as with alcohol and drugs but nobody makes them gamble in the first place. I think the signs asking people to gamble responsibly are a waste of time; those that need the sign won't take any notice and the rest didn't need it in the first place.
Blaming the betting shops is a red herring, these people need to look at what it is about themselves or their lives that allow them to become addicts.

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An interesting argument Mav, but as successive governments have whittled away the right for people to think for themselves regarding which websites they visit, smoking etc. then the government should step in.
But oh it makes them money it so it won't.
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Betting shops and gambling sites etc, pray on the weak and vulnerable
I have a relative that used to be a manager in a famous street level bookies and he told me that the firm will go to any lengths to get as many vulnerable people addicted to gamble and waste their money, cos the shops et al will be the only financial winners in the end.
As for the addiction side
I used to be addicted to cigarettes until Dec 2012 so I understand a little about addiction
Yes I know I started by peer pressure in school, when I was 9 but I always struggled to give the darn things up
I would not of been able to give up smoking without the help of Stop smoking Wales.
There needs to be more understanding and less in the face ads thrust at every turn.
For example
How many have split up with a partner, then all you heard on the radio et all was love song etc which made things worse
They banned the advertising for cigarettes and tobacco and they need to do the same with Gambling, alchohol etc
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Ban, ban, ban... and no self responsibility.
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no not ban stuff just put things back to how they were
fine don't spam the tv with ad's but the ridiculousness of the tobacco ban's now has the products hidden below the counter height in a closed cupboard, a customer cant even tell if there favourite brand is in stock until having queued up for 15 minutes they ask only to be informed its out of stock (15 minutes that could have been spent going to another shop had the display behind the counter been visible)
as a smoker (who has no current wish to give up) being fully aware of the associated health risks I choose to smoke why inconvenience me to the level that some time next year I wont even be able to tell what brand of product ive been served until after its too late to get it changed over (plain packaging with the brand printed on the inside but the outside covered in health warnings WTF?) its like the lunatics who were let out of the asylums for care in the community have been having a go at making up all the rules for things.....

just bring back common sense like not allowing gambling establishments and counter top lenders to be located within half a mile of each other (currently in some places they breakup the gambling shops  with high street lending shops)
its just the lunacy of liabore that's corrupted the countries thinking to the point that we no longer imprison dangerous convicts but instead tag them so they are able to continue their life of crime yet target perfectly legal things like tobacco alcohol and gambling, decrying at every turn the evils of big brother and interjecting 1984 every time some viable anti fraud system is proffered ........
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Every other advert on TV is for some gambling site these days and they make it look so glamorous too.
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And if it isn't a gambling site its a payday loan site