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@Minivanman

I have no problem with anyone being suspended on full pay whilst an investigation takes place.

I do have a problem where the investigation takes for ages or the action taken if the penalty does not fit the crime, for example staff who have been found guilty of fraud or involved in dodgy private contracts for the council resulting in some personal benefit to themselves.

Not sure of the exact figure but payments to councillors in expenses, trips abroad, pensions and all the rest come to a fair total of the council tax bill.

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I take your point, but it does seem unfair when as I say those on benefits (who get little enough anyway) get nothing, whilst public servants on a better than decent wage (as many of them are) get full pay.

We aim for the biggest target but still, you have to admit there is often 'something rotten in the state of Denmark' and it does seem to me that suspension on full pay requires alongside it a suspension of belief and common sense by the tax payer. 

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I agree. Those on benefits are in a vulnerable position and the state deliberately chooses to make life harder for them by suspending payments when it suits them. It absolutely stinks.

Sure I can understand it for those on JSA who can't be bothered trying for work, the government wants them off the books but for those on sickness benefits etc it is wrong to suspend their income and make life a misery just because the state has got its knickers in a knot.

This country is a disgrace, it's always trying to make life harder for those at the bottom, easier for those at the top and then blames all our problems on the poor when they screw it up.

Something must change at some point surely?

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@7up  Nowt will change Sad

All MP,s clowncils are only interested in filling their own pockets , but will say anything just to get your vote Angry

I wonder how many MP,s would still do the job if they got payed minimum wage ?

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@rongtw

How many would do the job if they got paid the minimum wage ?

Answer........Lots of them.......perfect job for those with plenty of money or/and other sources of income so you would attract a lot of well off people with a vested interest in making the rules even easier for them to make more money.

So those current MP's who are not well off or have no other sources of income would no longer be able to afford to do the job.

In short the place would be far more corrupt than it is now.

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Someone asked about government support

We all like to moan, but just to take one item of tax in isolation is somewhat unfair. We need look at complete picture, both increased costs of taxes and increased income from allowance and benefits upratings.

We also forget that some service we castigate as a waste, is one we or someone close may need. As a whole, we are both payers and consumers. We don't want to pay and want to consume without cost to ourselves. A prime example is care. Why should I and my wife, who own our house and investments, not have to use them; why should our children inherit our estates?

Corruption of our representatives, hmm! Maybe they are a reflection of our society, with exception of anyone here, of course!

 

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Of course, if you're dissatisfied by the level of service versus the amount paid, you could always just stop paying, they can go for years chasing up unpaid council tax before they send in the heavies... Funny

 

 

 

(I should mention for legal reasons that this isn't a smart thing to do, it's just said in jest!!)

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@Luzern

With regards to children inheriting your estate, why should they not, you paid for it in the same way you have paid taxes under a social contract that deemed to support you once you retire and are no longer earning.

But beware, the wolf is circling the door and it will not be long before the government grabs half of any house sale as they do in some other countries  - and that's just for starters. If it happens in my lifetime (they'll have to be quick) I might just as well consider equity release and pass the cash to the kids before clog popping time.

Maybe the wheels are falling off the current model of social provision, but it's not right that those of us that have paid a lifetime of tax in expectation of a lifetime of care should be sold off as scrap before our time is up.

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It's not just the level of service though is it, it's about how the money is spent - not unlike the way the BBC pays performers and newscasters huge amounts of money. And why do they need two people to present the news? If it's a question of balance then how long before we have a male, female and transgender shuffling their papers and opinions before camera - and all at our expense. Roll_eyes

As for not paying council tax it's not even as if they try and collect any debt themselves. They just pass it on to enforcement agencies at extra cost to themselves and at extra costs to us when they come banging on our doors. The debt then rockets sky high of course along with the misery.

 

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Oh I know, after last week's snow, a lot of potholes have popped up along the roads here, potholes which were filled in last year, potholes that were filled in the previous year, and so-on, but the councils cry "We haven't the money", when they're given a budget to spend to, and then spend under it, and get a budget the following year of what they spent the previous year, but still put up the taxes to make it seem like they're doing something...

 

As for the collections, I'm in that situation, but in my case, they'd been chasing me for about 12 years (a house I suffered a mental breakdown in, got behind on rent, tax, bills, etc.) and then finally realised that they can just "skim the cream" off my JSA, all that money wasted despite the repeated "Just take it from the DWP!!" responses I gave them...

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@Minivanman wrote:

@Luzern

With regards to children inheriting your estate, why should they not, you paid for it in the same way you have paid taxes under a social contract that deemed to support you once you retire and are no longer earning.

But beware, the wolf is circling the door and it will not be long before the government grabs half of any house sale as they do in some other countries  - and that's just for starters. If it happens in my lifetime (they'll have to be quick) I might just as well consider equity release and pass the cash to the kids before clog popping time.

Maybe the wheels are falling off the current model of social provision, but it's not right that those of us that have paid a lifetime of tax in expectation of a lifetime of care should be sold off as scrap before our time is up.


Actually after reading this  from the Economist, hopefully you'll see that no matter how originally intended National Insurance is not a funded scheme, where  premiums paid are invested with hope of future payout. It's a PAYG scheme in which current income pays for current needs, as the government deems (politically) desirable at the time;  al legal ponzi scheme with little chance of failure providing sufficient revenue is collectible to finance it.

Therefore, that being the reality, the claim, "I paid my taxes", is true, but that's as far as it goes. OK, persons with assets of sufficient value may have to use them to fund care, but think, please, whether with a properly funded scheme those assets would be in ones ownership. Compare also the situation now that something can be  bequeathed, but a time ago (likely before yours) when the needy could have their furniture sold around them before any benefit was paid.

TBH the NI system is inappropriate, and should be merged in to normal taxation, with personal allowances and tax  rates adjusted not to disbenefit those on low incomes. Perhaps, too, the system should change to a personal income for everyone including children, child allowance abolished. Everyone's income  would be taxed at a higher rate than now.

Some ideas may seem "socialist", but I am not; they were espoused some 40+ years ago by a conservative.

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NI is supposed to be income related but about the time you get into the 40% income tax bracket NI plummets to a mere 2%, which means that the low earners pay proportionately more NI than the rich.  Our governments like to pretend that we are a low tax country because the basic rate of income tax is 20%, but if you include NI, it's actually 32%.  Would it not be more honest to have 32% and 42% income tax rates?  The argument that NI contributions need to be kept separate so they know how much pension you are entitled to is no longer valid with today's computer technology, after all we did away with NI stamps on cards even before I started working.

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@Anonymous wrote:

That’s the Tory government for you.


Band D increases in tax years:

2002/3 8.2%

2003/4 12.9%

2004/5 5.9%

All of these were during a Labour Gov't.  Some people forget.

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Indeed.

I'm in the middle of re-reading 'The Downing Street' year by Margaret Thatcher and it's worth noting how much was inherited from Callaghan and Wilson, and how much did not change under Blair and Brown. 

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@Luzern

But it's not just funded from PAYG is it, and what about VAT?

Not all income comes from one source obviously, and none of it is ring fenced for one particular purpose - like that old urban myth sausage of the road fund licence paying for our pot hole blighted roads. If only eh.

As for being one massive ponzi scheme, that sounds about right.