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EU know it makes sense....

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EU know it makes sense....

According to a poll of UK Voters, 47% want to leave EU, 39% in favour of staying
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2673635/Britons-demand-Euro-exit-Shock-MoS-poll-says-voters-...
However, business leaders, including the CBI want to stay within the EU.

Britain could angle for the sort of deal Switzerland has: that is, free movement of goods, services, labour and capital, but not much else.
Switzerland pays only a token contribution to the EU budget, does not recognise the primacy of EU law on its own territory and – critically – is free to negotiate trade deals with non-EU states such as China.
And you can’t help noticing that it’s doing rather well.
We could replace our current membership with a Swiss-type free-trade agreement.
The Swiss, after all, manage to sell four-and-a-half times as much per head to the EU as we do.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2673698/DANIEL-HANNAN-Divorce-course-left-Britain-EU-make-...


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However, business leaders, including the CBI want to stay within the EU

Quelle surprise that the people who actually have to do the business that keeps us afloat know that leaving what will soon be the world's biggest trading group would be complete insanity
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Switzerland pays only a token contribution to the EU budget, does not recognise the primacy of EU law on its own territory and – critically – is free to negotiate trade deals with non-EU states such as China.

Which is a great idea because a tiny little, non-entity country with no friends is defintely going to be able to cut a better deal than the second most powerful trading entity on earh  Roll eyes
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And you can’t help noticing that it’s doing rather well

Amazing how well banking for tax evaders, a few watches and spectacles can support 8 million people
If only it could also work for 65 million  Roll eyes
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The Swiss, after all, manage to sell four-and-a-half times as much per head to the EU as we do

Uh huh
The thing that stops us increasing exports to the EU is being a member of the EU
Because it's clearly the EU that's stopping us selling more to the US and China and anywhere else on the planet Roll eyes

Or maybe I missed the point and that post was sarcastic - it surely can't have been serious
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The sooner we leave, the better.
Fatcats aka business leaders love the EU for the money THEY personally make, and no other reason.
The only way Britain can be fixed, is by leaving the EU.
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The sooner we are out of the EU the better,,
Cameron was under the impression that a good number of EU countries supported his attempt to block  the current potholder but on the day of decision they backed Merkyl . They did this because Germany has the financial clout to get what it wants and by backing someone who has a fairly poor history and little experience it will prove easy to get his agreement on what Germany sees as the future of the EU which is more integration with other European countries, in principle not such a bad idea but in reality a bad idea as the free movement of people across Europe will lead to many problems,
The Lesson for Cameron is despite what other EU leaders promise him he cannot trust them so all this talk of getting any meaningful concessions for this country is just rubbish and the sooner he wakes up to that fact the better.
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That should read post holder  but potholder or glass holder might be a more apt description
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Indeed, switzerland is a country for thie rich, its doing well if you forget about having to look after everyone in society.
Not to mention these EU directives which people seem to hate, include things like the strong human rights laws that protect the citizens here been completely stomped on.
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Do you mean the human rights that protect the criminals, illegal immigrants, and terrorists over the innocent law abiding citizens?
Britain doesn't need the EU to be Great again.
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Oh dear, we're off again, total misinformation again and again Cry
The EU is NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the European Convention on Human Rights and its associated Court.
In fact the ECHR was in force before the EU existed. And, as has been stated MANY MANY times before, if the UK leaves the EU the ECHR still applies.
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It's all intertwined into one and the same thing.
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If we leave the EU we will still abide by ECHR as the UK was the main instigator of the council/court
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still if we leave the EU I lose probably 80-90% of my business as most of my business is in the EU.
some people seem to think the UK is still some kind of global powerhouse and can get by fine on its own which I think is nonsense.
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It's all intertwined into one and the same thing.
Er, which thing?  Crazy (or is it just inside your mind?  Wink  Grin )
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Britain doesn't need the EU to be Great again

.. we need nothing short of a miracle  Grin
The idea that we were doing so well outside the EU is a total myth.  We barely managed between the wars - remember the depression? - when we had one of the biggest empires of all time that allowed us to force the subject nations to trade with us on advantageous - to us - terms.
Newsflash: we don't have an empire any more.
It's no coincidence that, as the empire was gradually wound down after the second war, we were begging more and more desperately to be allowed into the EU - because we knew we couldn't manage alone.
The idea that, with the entire world dividing into massive, powerful and highly protectionist trading blocks, we could manage alone now is complete and utter nonsense.
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still if we leave the EU I lose probably 80-90% of my business as most of my business is in the EU.

Why would leaving the EU cost you your business?
All of the 'We will lose all our business' nonsense is just scaremongering.
The EU buy from British companies, because they need the product.
Do you honestly think there wouldn't be agreements in place to allow that to continue?  After all the EU need our money and products much more than we need theirs.
@WTF the problems between the wars, 100 years ago in completely different circumstances in a completely different world, were caused mainly by the war debt.
As for begging to be allowed into the EU, are you mad?
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Do you honestly think there wouldn't be agreements in place to allow that to continue?  After all the EU need our money and products much more than we need theirs

Really?
Coz the £20-odd billion-a-quarter* balance of payments deficit we run with EU would suggest it's very much the other way around.
And why the assumption a little non-entity country would automatically get a hugely favourable trade deal with a massively powerful and infamously protective trading block?
It's not like we have much they'd want: most of our industry will be forced to move to an EU country to continue to avoid import restrictions, Frankfurt and Paris will be absolutely delighted to take the business from the City .. what's left?
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As for begging to be allowed into the EU, are you mad?

Err .. no (at least, not about this).  That's what actually happened.
The only reason we didn't join earlier is that Charles de Gaulle refused to allow us in - as it says on the Parliamentary website*.

* I know: Shock!  Horror!  Actual facts not wild assertion - is that allowed on here?