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Don't you just love the Tory Government.

Minivanman
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Don't you just love the Tory Government.

With news that they plan to cut out pension credit for those with partners under state retirement age, things can only get a lot worse for those hoping to suppliment their bog standard pension and one which for many allows them to claim a rate rebate for example. 

Fortunately those like myself who are already claiming it will not be affected as it is not retrospective but blimey, what a mean and rotten thing to do. As if denying women of a certain age their expected pension (my Mrs included) was not enough, we now have this.

 

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Yeah,   and the choice between what we have....  and what a Corbyn government will do to the country, is terrifying...

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I have little respect for the man given his love for the likes of Hamas, but do you really think a Socialist government (however you define that term) under any leader would dare consider let alone enact such a miserable policy?

Don't see it m'self @shutter 

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Re: Don't you just love the Tory Government.

Irrespective of the government in power, nothing would surprise me.

If memory serves me correctly was it not Brown who gave pensioners a 80 pence increase per week in their pensions.

The way goverments have treated people in the past tells you much.

Bit like the increase in average wage this year above inflation ......except pension contributions for millions will rise from 3 to 5%

All smoke and mirrors.

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And ... don`t forget about the 2.5% pay rise for MP`s... reported in the papers yesterday...

 

 

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Well no @shutter but that neither negates or endorses making some pensioners lives more difficult.

Putting Socialism at the core of your party's belief is no guarantee I know - just look at the likes of money bags Blair and his old sticky sidekick Mandelson.

I suppose what really sticks in my gut is that on the one hand they make people like my Mrs wait longer for their pensions whilst on the other, saying that becuase they are not now in receipt of it, their partner cannot now claim pension credit. As said it is not affecting me directly but what if it was as it will for many, and at 60 plus years she would be expected to go out and find a job. 

It's just crazy Alice in Wonderland stuff with the Queen of Hearts in charge.

I have little trust in politicians, but I do have hope in common sense and fairness - otherwise what else is there? :sad:

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@Minivanman, "otherwise what else is there?"

Green party, was going to vote labour, but now with Labour MPs bent as a 9 bob note in Middlesbrough council, i'll be voting forthe Greens, local elections i'll be voting independent MP.

Labour MPs in Middlesbrough council are bent and corrupt as Cleveland Police, Cleveland Police should be abolished.


 

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@Midnight_Caller 

Ah yes, but I was referring more to a trust in government rather that the option of another political party, but you are right about Greens and Independents - I have stood several times as an Independent for the fat lot of good it did me as it was in one of those areas where party loyalty was 'über alles' even when they moaned and groaned about those they elected - to which my reply was always, "well you had your choice". 

In Wales we also have Plaid Cymru as an alternative of course, but given my MP's view on Brexit I'm not so sure he'll be getting my vote the next time around. That'll show him. :wink:

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... and yet the actual amount they will increase the pension payout from April will be less than they sort of promised last year at only 2.6% - which will be just a nudge under I believe the rate of inflation so great, those on the basic amount will be getting an extra £3 a week! :huh:

So more going in from the taxpayer, and less going out to those on a pension.  

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And did they not say that in April the cost of energy for millions of people would rise by a average of £ 116 a year....

So that's £ 2 a week gone out of that £ 3 increase.

You really do have to wonder if it's worth voting......very sad when you consider what past generations went through to get the right to vote.

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@gleneagles, the inflation figure (CPI) used for pensions is the one for the previous September, which last year was 2.4%.  As far as I know the 'triple lock' is still in force, so the state pension goes up by the highest of the rise in earnings, CPI, or 2.5%.

Inflation is a bit of a blunt instrument since it includes many things we don't buy with any frequency.  For example modern technology tends to go down in price in the early years, but if 42" TVs drop in price, you only benefit if you buy one, and most of us don't 'upgrade' all that regularly, especially if we are struggling to pay our fuel bills, which would probably have gone up by more than the rate of inflation.  The statisticians use weighting in order to balance things out, but that still doesn't give you the benefit of low inflation if you never buy any of the products responsible for lowering the inflation rate.

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Don't recall any "triple lock" being implemented for the minimum wage.

But then, this pension thing is meant for the elderly who are more likely to vote and even more likely to vote Tory.

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Well it is said that as you grow older you leave those ideals behind and become more conservative, and whilst I dismay at the current state of Labour, this septuagenarian would never in a million years vote Tory. My old trade and student union comrades would turn over in their graves or even worse, come back and haunt me if I did!

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me too!

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I think the triple lock was put in to redress the imbalance caused by years of rising wages, and inflation, while state pensions remained essentially stagnant. That left many pensioners, who relied only on the state pension, in poverty. So while living standards for the population were rising steadily, the elderly were being left behind.