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Doctors on Strike

Junior doctors have overwhelmingly voted to strike.This action could cripple some hospitals. It won't affect emergency care as this will be covered by consultants. It will, however, affect elective surgery, outpatients appointments and routine tests.
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I feel it is essential for both sides to sit round the table and see if there is a compromise. ACAS should be involved.
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does the right to strike (if such a right really does exist) override the duty of care a doctor has?
in reality, the strike will never take place.
personally, the whole union thing does more damage than good IMO.
if someone doesn't like their terms of work then go get another job.
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But their terms and conditions are being changed and they are not happy with them. If we accept what they say the change is being made without consultation.
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Lock the negotiators in a room. Release when agreement is reached. The public should not suffer.
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But their terms and conditions are being changed and they are not happy with them. If we accept what they say the change is being made without consultation.

of course, peoples terms and conditions change all the time.
as i said, if the terms are no longer acceptable to the employee then it's time to leave and employment with more suitable terms.
that's what us "plebs" have to do after-all.
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Re: Doctors on Strike

no you don't if you join a union
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as per my initial reply, unions do more damage than good IMO.
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Unfortunately my personal experiences with unions lead me to agree with the above Sad
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This is perhaps the best summary http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34775980 and it is clear - at least I think it is - that the main problem is including Saturday in the basic week and that is a definite change to the detriment of the doctors
The other one mentioned is
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Guaranteed pay increases linked to time in the job are being scrapped and replaced with a system linked to progression through set training stages.
This, the BMA argues, affects people who take time out to have a baby, for example.
Why the heck should pay increase related to time in the job rather then career progression - that is just not acceptable
Re the previous two posts - my experience with the draughtsmen's union - the name kept changing - is that it was the only protection my colleagues had as they were the only ones who took the company through the official complaint route and the company lost comprehensively and they got everything they were entitled to. The non union members couldn't afford the legal fees (risk of)
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Why the heck should pay increase related to time in the job rather then career progression - that is just not acceptable

so you agree that it being changed to career progression is a good thing then.
and that the BMA is wrong to object to it.
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  does the right to strike (if such a right really does exist) override the duty of care a doctor has?
in reality, the strike will never take place.

The BMA has said that any action of this kind will not go ahead unless there is complete cover available from other "ranks". They say this will preserve the duty of care.
In any case, junior doctors are newly graduated medical staff who are in training and always rely on senior fully qualified staff. That's why there has been a rumpus in the past when junior doctors are put in a position to make decisions which in theory they are not yet "trained" to make.
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Junior doctors in the United Kingdom and Ireland are qualified medical practitioners who are working whilst engaged in postgraduate training to become a consultant or a GP. The period of being a junior doctor starts when they qualify as a medical practitioner following graduation with Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery degrees, and culminates in a post as a Consultant, a General Practitioner, or some other non-training post, such as a Staff grade or Associate Specialist post. 
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the public sector has had pay increases based on time in job for a long time, and its not necessarily a bad thing, hitting the deadmans shoes point is quite a fast thing due to the employment pyramid and if you don't keep giving incremental increases you start loosing people to more lucrative employment options and fewer people entering that walk of life, having said that not many include time off to do other things as being applicable to time in the job....
as more details of the governments proposal emerge it does change how the public are perceiving things, the BMA certainly started the PR campaign and entered into the lead in the battle for hearts and minds from the outset, but that position has begun to swing the other way, some of the changes are unfair but the majority seem to make the average doctor better off, loosing the incremental progression factor though will hurt the health service as a whole as it will see retention problems, perhaps a better option would of been to introduce a tandem smaller step pay spine incremental riser so you get given increments but they are much smaller (say 0.25%) for reaching each milestone but that would also mean changing the way annual pay rises are done.
the BMA hasn't been very clever in its efforts to gain public support and rather sparse with the details about just what exactly was being offered
@nozzer the term junior refers to everyone that isn't a consultant or professor when applied to doctors working in hospitals
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The term, 'Junior Doctor' is a little misleading. On the radio this morning there was one junior doctor who did 7 years training at medical school and that was followed by 10 years  working on the job. He was in his mid 30s and was earning £48k per annum. He is now in a position to apply to become a consultant but until he achieves this position he will remain a junior doctor.
I don't normally have any sympathy for strikers but in this case I feel the junior doctors may have a case. Unfortunately neither side have explained their case too well IMO.
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There are some groups of staff who are not allowed to strike, examples being the Police, Soldiers, et al.
A no strike clause should be written into medical staff contracts which should also include the need to work week ends and public holidays, after all many other staff of various professions are required to cover such periods.
Equally medical staff do need to be given a fair deal when it comes to pay and conditions otherwise we will continue to see junior doctors going abroad.
Much damage was done by the last Labour government who gave Doctors more money with the option for GP's to opt out of weekend work.
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the public sector has had pay increases based on time in job for a long time, and its not necessarily a bad thing,

that doesn't make it a good thing though.
where's the incentive to improve if you know you'll get a pay rise regardless just as long as you stay in the job.
so someone who works their socks off improving gets treated the same as someone who coasts along with no improvement.
the sooner that is dropped from all jobs, the better.