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Tracer
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Posts: 76
Registered: 17-07-2007

Digital economy bill

I don't know if anyones heard of this
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/09/digital-economy-bill-backlash
It has the possibility of blocking sites like google,youtube,wikileaks,googleDocs in the UK unless something is done.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2010/apr/08/digital-economy-bill-quick-guide-45-measures
I find it horrific that something like this could be passed as it infringes on everyones humanrights.
But the worst part is that it wasn't even debated properly in parliment as over 60% of MP's never showed up.
Shockingly MY MP voted for the bill
http://www.theyworkforthebpi.com/
which i am unhappy about.
And if you think this won't effect you think again as it will effect gamers to
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/apr/08/digital-economy-bill-video-games
We will become like China is at the moment, walled off from the rest of the world by a firewall blocking all sites deemed "unsiteable" for the UK.
Talk Talk have taken a stand against the bill
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/apr/08/internet-piracy-bill
And i wondering what Plus Net will do because if enough ISP make a stand then maybe it might be changed.
If not then welcome to a Nanny state where film and music industrys can take the average home owner to court over every little thing that they want to.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/apr/12/digital-economy-bill-households-piracy
The entertainment industry has won themselves the finest law that money can buy.
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WildRose52
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Posts: 507
Registered: 23-02-2010

Re: Digital economy bill


Hi Tracer,
This was, in fact, debated at length over about 3 threads in PN when the
Bill was first passed.
However, and given the importance of this topic, I`m sure everyone will
still welcome the opportunity to re-look at the serious implications of this
Bill.
No doubt everyone will have their own reasons for not liking this Bill.
As a non-file sharer, my main concern is whether (and if so how) this might
affect other websites, like forums, blogs, news sites etc etc.
I dont personally believe that the Government is particularly interested in
whether the music industry gets its share of profits.
What I do believe is that the Govt have seen how the music industry is
unhappy with the file sharing websites, and has seized upon that in order
to censor anything & everything they want to.
Although I can appreciate that sites like YouTube are used to upload music,
movie clips etc, I personally believe that the Govt is more opposed to the
posting of political material than what they are entertainment ones.
I can`t see how they can censor everything whilst the genie is now out of the
bottle, and people will always find a way of getting round it.
For example, how can they stop anyone from downloading online photographs
when in fact Microsoft provides the facility to `print screen` any photograph online
(or can even use the `edit` facility on the toolbar)


WildRose52
Grafter
Posts: 507
Registered: 23-02-2010

Re: Digital economy bill


Tracer,
Yourself, & others, may find this of interest 
(all related to censorship /online spying)
Is it time to defend our rights?
2 March 2010 - BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8544935.stm
Website referred to, is this one:
http://cryptome.org/
Community Veteran
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Registered: 06-04-2007

Re: Digital economy bill

Quote from: Tracer
We will become like China is at the moment ...

Yes, running VPN clients, many people in China use VPN and access the site they would otherwise not be able to.
The technology moves faster than legislation.
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3Mb FTTC
https://portal.plus.net/my.html?action=data_transfer_speed
Community Veteran
Posts: 3,789
Registered: 08-06-2007

Re: Digital economy bill

Quote from: godsell4
The technology moves faster than legislation.

Even compared to the latest DEBill fiasco, tech moves faster.
I have a friend who runs a VPN service in the Netherlands.  His signups have increased by over 5000% since the DEBill was passed (€5/month, all you can eat) and he keeps no logs whatsoever of usage.  There are several competing VPN services like ipredator.se, itshidden.com, hidemyass.com and swissvpn.com which have all seen upturns in signups.
All traffic can be routed via these services, so no ISP can interfere and no DEBill notices can be sent.  Shame.
B.
Tracer
Grafter
Posts: 76
Registered: 17-07-2007

Re: Digital economy bill

Quote from: WildRose52

This was, in fact, debated at length over about 3 threads in PN when the
Bill was first passed.

My apologies if this has been posted before it's rare i visit the forums.
Midnight_Caller
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Registered: 15-04-2007

Re: Digital economy bill

Quote from: Barry
I have a friend who runs a VPN service in the Netherlands.

Do you have a linke to his site?
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Shame.

Yes for MI5 & MI6, all that traffic going through VPN no more snooping.
WildRose52
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Posts: 507
Registered: 23-02-2010

Re: Digital economy bill


The info below is very much related to the Digital Economy Bill.
As it says: if people FAIL to secure their Wifi connection, then it
is the householder who will be held responsible if anyone else
hyjacks their connection and a breach of copyright occurs.
Londoners under Wi-Fi attack
http://www.techwatch.co.uk/2010/04/30/londoners-under-wi-fi-attack/
I`m not convinced this is fair.
For example, when I joined PN a few months back, for a few days I
was under the impression that just connecting a cable to the router
was enough to stop the Wifi connection, until I spotted a members
post in the tech area of the forum.
I think ISPs need to make this more clear to users when they provide
them with a WiFi router.    Not everyone is technically minded, I wasnt.
Community Veteran
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Registered: 15-06-2007

Re: Digital economy bill

It is not quite as black and white as that.
The Bill http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2010/ukpga_20100024_en_3 actually states
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The code must provide that, where a ground mentioned in subsection (3) is relied on, the appeal must be determined in favour of the subscriber if the subscriber shows that—
(a) the act constituting the apparent infringement to which the report relates was not done by the subscriber, and
(b) the subscriber took reasonable steps to prevent other persons infringing copyright by means of the internet access service.
Of course the definition of reasonable steps is a bit vague but presumably any wireless security (even WEP) would come under that. Note that on the Plusnet supplied routers WPA encryption is enabled automatically.
itsme
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Registered: 07-04-2007

Re: Digital economy bill

Quote from: WildRose52

The info below is very much related to the Digital Economy Bill.
As it says: if people FAIL to secure their Wifi connection, then it
is the householder who will be held responsible if anyone else
hyjacks their connection and a breach of copyright occurs.

There are a lot of Wifi sites out there and not all users are aware that they have made their WiFi public http://www.bt.com/static/wa/wifi/pages/findhotspots.html?s_cid=con_FURL_btfon/hotspots
WildRose52
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Posts: 507
Registered: 23-02-2010

Re: Digital economy bill

Thanks for the info.
At least that sounds more reasonable.
I think internet users tend to fall into 3 categories.
Those who DO understand the technical side....
Those (like myself) who want to be safe, but who genuinely are not
all that techie minded....
and the third category are those who cant wait to get online and who
dont really care.
I say that about the latter ones, because when I was on AOL around
6 years ago I was shocked by the number of users who used to post
to their tech help boards saying they had problems, only to find that
when they`d gone on online they hadnt even bothered to install any security
programmes, and then they couldnt understand when they had a
problem lol.   So I would assume its much the same now regards
securing WiFi.