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Death penalty upheld in Bali

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Death penalty upheld in Bali

British grandmother Lindsay Sandiford may face a firing squad in Bali for the importing of considerable quantities of drugs following the sentence being upheld.
So do you think this should be carried out or commuted to a long term of imprisonment.
I have one comment here. She claims her family was under threat by her controllers. If she had gone to the police, would they have not helped her?
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We may never know the truth of her claims.
Either way if that is the law there then we should not interfere - after all, we don't like other countries interfering in our affairs.
Let's not forget what damage over 10lb of cocaine can do (I read somewhere that it was worth well over £1M) to the lives of those that take it and their families.

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If after all the publicity Bali doesn't execute her, then it will set a precedent that could undermine all future cases, and lead to an uncontrollable increase in trafficking that will lead to many more deaths of drug users.
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She made her bed, now she has to lie in it.
I have no sympathy.
Perhaps if our Drugs laws were up to doing the job, crime would be lower, we would spend less on the justice system, and we would be in a better financial shape.
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If the reports of prison conditions in Bali are to be believed, then maybe a firing squad may be the lesser of two evils.
It all rests really on whether she did what she did of her own free will, or under extreme duress. Obviously the Bali courts have taken the former view.
Who do you believe? Having worked in airports for many years she would have had ample opportunity to reflect and report it to the authorities. Security would not have ignored her, Customs have airside offices and the police are around in adequate numbers, presumably far away from the prying eyes of her controllers.
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Very difficult to apply to her circumstances at the time...
1. was she a "regular" courier.... or was this the first time?    if the report of her "controllers" threatening her family come into it,.... then not the first time.
2.If you were in the situation of being threatened by the "controller" to carry some drugs.... how would you deal with the situation. ?  easy enough to say that you would "dob them in" at the first opportunity....
3. If she (you) did manage to convince the customs/police that you were under "duress"... would they then use you in a covert operation to secure the "controllers"... another decision she ( you ) could not make at the time.
4. unfortunately for her, the drugs law in Bali deems a death sentence is the right way to eliminate ( yes I chose that word carefully ) the couriers, then so be it.....
Which brings you back to number 2... knowing what the penalties are, what would you do if you were put "under duress"....
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Would the controllers have just randomly plucked on this woman and her family? Doubt it. A high probability she had been trafficking previously with smaller amounts and, possibly, got in over her head.
Either way, the penalty is known and the risk taken.
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Would he controllers have just randomly pucked on this woman and her family? Doubt it. A high probability she had been trafficking previously with smaller amounts and, possibly, got in over her head.
Either way, the penalty is known and the risk taken.

Agreed.
There is ALWAYS another way.
No matter how much pressure is being put on your family, there is ALWAYS somebody to turn to.
The security at Immigration, the Airport police, a phone call to the local police.. how about talk to your family?
She knew what she was doing, I doubt it was the first time, either way, smuggling drugs is bad.. plenty of countries have an automatic death penalty, especially Muslim countries.
Would it be different if it was a 21 year old guy, instead of a grandmother in this position? 
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In my opinion she knew what she was doing and should bear the consequences of her actions.
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Just seen briefly on the news, Lindsay Sandiford can take her case to the Indonesian Supreme Court. But it was not mentioned if she was going to.
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British grandmother Lindsay Sandiford may face a firing squad

which is a much quicker, ( and less painfulHuh) end, than some of her intended "customers"....
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Certainly agree with most of the comments made but I guess it will not be long before some government minister gets involved and tries to get the sentence reduced.
There are a number of people in this country who have the mistaken idea because they are British that they should get a more lenient sentence if they are caught with drugs abroad.
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.............and I hope the Bali authorities tell them to stay out of their affairs.  It has been said earlier, she should have known the consequences of her actions.
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If they had simply executed her last night, then they could have avoided an ongoing legal battle,  upheld their drug trafficking laws for foreigners, and the news would have been lost in the noise of the coverage of Baroness Thatcher's passing.
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Now that, was exactly the kind of thing I was thinking about in my thread "Bury bad news"
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