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Corbyn and Smith clash

So who watched those two on Question Time last night?

For my money Corbyn came over as the measured man whereas Smith sounded more like that last windbag from the valleys. Not another one, please.

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It's embarrassing seeing the demise of Labour, Labour supporters should be able to grieve in private not on prime time television. I do object to my telly tax being spent on this. Perhaps it should have been behind the red button Roll eyes

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Well unless they pull those red socks up it's going to be a right old shambles at the next election when those Labour Party members and core voters turf out any existing MP that stabbed Corbyn in the back. And these are the lickspittles backing Owen?

Embarrassing indeed, you've got that right.

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PeterLoftus wrote:

. Perhaps it should have been behind the red button Roll eyes


 

 

Or better still..... Behind closed doors !

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I'm not a Labour voter, never have and never will. But I have to admit I like Corbyn he comes across to me as an every day man and not a politician and I think this view can be seen by a lot of others and I suspect it is this perception that is giving the whole party the willies, as they'll be saying we need a 'politician' to lead the party.

Just on principal I hope he is re-elected to teach the back stabbers in the party that the electorate was right, after all it was them that put him into power.

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Some televisions even have on and off switches! Wink

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Trouble is of course that politicians at the top often become clones of what has gone on before but here we have Corbyn who seems made of better stuff. Pity that does not fit him for party leadership.

Ignoring as we must Douglas-Home, I'm old enough to remember when Wilson replaced Macmillan.... and then proceeded to take the same line on nuclear weapons as he did despite opposition from many of Labour's activists!   

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I'm not a Labour voter, never have and never will.

And for the record I didn't watch the debate as not only does my TV have an On/Off switch it allows me to select different channels. Smiley

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Would that be anti 'Labour Party' or anti Socialism as amazingly, there is a difference. 

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Corbyn means well but he is too soft for this day/age.

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I think you are right. By all accounts when people were asked if they would vote for Corbyn or for May, the "don't know's" scored higher than he did! 

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Minivanman wrote:

Would that be anti 'Labour Party' or anti Socialism as amazingly, there is a difference. 


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Note the use of an apostrophe each side of the words Labour Party.

Post war and especially after the likes of Clement Attlee, Socialism and Labour have not been the same thing. Not under Wilson, not under Callaghan, and don't even get me started on Bliar! Brown maybe, Corbyn definitely, and Owen if he ever makes it, will just be a Kinnock sounding Blairite marc two. 

Keir Hardie would be turning in his grave.... if he had one. 

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The way Smith & those who oppose Corbyn in the PLP have used anti-Semitism to attack him is pretty despicable, also Scottish Labour's performance in the local elections is not Corbyns fault but Kezia Dugdales as leader. Miliband should not have shared the platform with the tories & colluded to make false promises about Scottish devolution.

 

Most of Smiths policies are regurgitated from Corbyn / McDonnell. As a Pfizer lobbyist that backed PFI in the NHS, his pretend pseudo leftist socialist stance just doesn't wash as genuine, he is corporate shill. His apparent denouncement of democracy because the EU vote didn't go the way he wanted will only have limited appeal to disgruntled remainers that vote Labour, it certainly won't win back UKIP voters who moved away from Labour. Considering that the Lib Dems will also be using this tactic in their manifesto to win back some MPs & where the majority of Labours constituencies in the working class heartlands voted leave, Smith will not win Labour an election on that premise alone.

 

While i do back Corbyn, he did make some avoidable mistakes during the early months of his leadership, firstly by appointing too many MPs who do not agree with his policies / views into shadow cabinet in order to be 'inclusive' of different political wings. Jeremy Corbyn needs stronger discipline to reign in factions of the party who oppose him more than they do the tories, those who showed disloyalty by briefing the press to discredit him & those such as Hilary Benn manoeuvring behind the scenes to seek backing from MPs in a vote of no confidence & mass resignations following his sacking in a pre-planned coup, causing irreparable damage to Labour's electability / polling as a whole. Other mistakes was flip flopping on some policy decisions, such as John McDonnell being undecided on whether or not to oppose Osboune's budget surplus. I also disagreed with Labour abstaining on May's revised 'Snoopers' Charter at 2nd reading. He also needs to be less of a soft touch on immigration, when asked by Andrew Marr about capping numbers Corbyn stated that there should not be an 'upper limit', while he does rightly acknowledge that economic migration can have a knock on effect in undermining wages especially in the low paid / non unionised private sector, which is partly driven by EU competition law directives aswell as government policy. Migration needs to be controlled so local councils can be appropriately funded & impact measures taken to handle the influx in order to relieve demands on housing, health services, schools, etc, a cause of much tension in already rundown working class areas.

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Minivanman wrote:

So who watched those two on Question Time last night?

For my money Corbyn came over as the measured man whereas Smith sounded more like that last windbag from the valleys. Not another one, please.


And what has Corbyn been measure for (hopefully)?Evil

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