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The RNLI has been forced to put a 20-knot speed limit on all non-emergency call-outs and training as a result of the massive increase in the cost of fuel over the past year.
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"The Severn class all-weather boats use about 540 litres of fuel per hour at 24 knots and this should drop to less than 500 litres at 20 knots."

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It is not hard to see why - a trent-class, all-weather lifeboat at top speed uses 360 litres of fuel an hour. And whereas last year marine diesel cost 38p/litre, now it has shot up to 72.4p.
So, fuel efficiency has suddenly become critical. Although at top speed (24 knots) the lifeboat uses 360 litres an hour, at 20 knots, with the engine below 2000rpm, the rate drops to below 100 litres an hour.
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For those who do not know.  The R.N.L.I. is paid for by public donations .  They are not funded in any way by the government. The good looking boys and girls you see manning the "lifeguard" stations on our beaches, are volunteers..... Their equipment is funded by public donation. This is the same for the Inshore rescue boats (RIBS) and also the "full size sea-going" boats, and crews.  Whereas the Police, FIre, and Ambulance services are provided by the local council from your council tax, and police precept, the men and women of the R.N.L.I. do not get paid for putting their lives at risk to save yours, if you get into difficulty, sometimes they lose their lives in terrible weather, where no sane person would dare go to sea. The only person to get paid is the "coxswain" of the lifeboat, who is usually a full time volunteer. He ensures the boat is ready for sea, is in charge of the boat and the crew.
If you ever see a lifeboat donation box...... Please don`t ignore it,  even a few pennies from every person who passes by will go towards a new piece of equipment....
If you feel that £1.00 is too much, just stay away from the beach, and the cliffs, and do not ever go to sea in a small boat. 
If you do,  and get into difficulties, how would you feel then?  Embarrassed
Please be generous and keep the lifeboats and crews in the equipment they need.  Smiley
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Never understood why the government don't pay for this like the fire etc. They do such sterling work and risk their lives every time they go out
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Nice to see you in the forums again Shutter. I couldn't agree more, I can't swim, and get slightly nauseous just looking at a flat calm sea, and live about as far away from the sea as possible in the UK but, I always donate to the RNLI, the only charity I do so regularly.
Odd story; while strolling with my wife (when she could still walk) in the newly pedestrianised Boscombe (Dorset) high street a while back, one evening a young man came charging towards us with a RNLI donation "lifeboat" under is arm, being chased by a a couple of heavies, who were losing the speed battle. Quite uncharacteristically for me, I decided to tackle the running youth, this was a snap decision, had I taken the time to think about it, I probably wouldn't have done it. However all I succeeded in doing was to knock him off course, but he did drop the the donation box. The heavies puffed to a grateful standstill, and berated me for not holding on to him for longer till their arrival, not a word of thanks for getting their (full) box back, which I was rather pleased about...
Edit; I don't know whether its true, but a minor manager in the RNLI offices in Poole (Dorset) hinted to me that the RNLI do better financially through their charity status than they ever would with government funding, they get the equipment they want and need to their specifications, that doesn't have government interference in its design and production...so keep donating...more than ever.
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Looking at the way the police, fire service, ambulance and coastguard are run / funded by government, long may the RLNI stay independent. What the government should do is give the charity more tax breaks so that money donated to run the charity goes to the charity.
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What the government should do is give the charity more tax breaks so that money donated to run the charity goes to the charity.

Right on the button there Spider...I'm never quite sure why any (properly conducted) charity is taxed at all...
PS. I'm very wary about "charities" that employ can shakers, if you want to donate use a bank based method, at least that way you know that most of it goes to the desired place. I like to think that can shakers are very earnest, honest and sincere people, but...
PPS. any truth in the rumour that from the huge amounts of money raised by LiveAid only 17% of it actually got as far as the poor African folk it was destined for?
Edit; I'll modify that to "obscure little known charity can shakers" as the RNLI use them as well.
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Edit; I don't know whether its true, but a minor manager in the RNLI offices in Poole (Dorset) hinted to me that the RNLI do better financially through their charity status than they ever would with government funding, they get the equipment they want and need to their specifications, that doesn't have government interference in its design and production...so keep donating...more than ever.

A friend of mine works occasionally for the RNLI as a consultant in a specialist area; he oftens says much the same. They want to be an independenty charity.
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A friend of mine works occasionally for the RNLI as a consultant in a specialist area; he oftens says much the same. They want to be an independenty charity.

Any chance your friend "donates" some of his consultancy fee when working for the RNLI, experience through another charity dear to my heart; the MS Society, is that consultants don't. Unfortunately, its where a large slice of donation income is spent, rather than on suffers care and hardware.
That's not meant as a criticism of your friend HP, more of an observation of the inability of any organisation to do anything without a consultant telling them what they probably already know these days. 
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did you see this one about non RNLI lifeboats? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7587125.stm
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Any chance your friend "donates" some of his consultancy fee when working for the RNLI,

Petlew, have a think about what you've said and how you've said it; I feel affronted and my friend would probably be insulted by what you've said there.  Angry
I happen to know exactly what he does and it is a great help to them with expertise in a specialist area that they could not have in their own staff as it is not needed that often. As for his charges I also happen to know that in this case they are "very reasonable". He is actually retired but goes back (it's a long journey at his own expense) to help them because they both trust each other.
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Petlew, have a think about what you've said and how you've said it;

@ HP Sauce;
I've never shied away from admitting an error of judgment when I've made one, and in this case I take your point entirely, and unreservedly (and publicly) apologise to the affront to you and your friend (I could have done it by PM)
My somewhat jaundiced opinion of consultants generally stems from having been the victim of what used to be called "time and motion studies" twice in my working life, by outside consultants. I was "fortunate" to be re-deployed elsewhere within the companies (at an eventually lower salary) others of my colleagues were not so fortunate.
I have two son-in-laws, both act as self employed "consultants" one as a horticultural consultant, who admits in private his clients could find most of what he advises them on the internet for free, or by contacting their local authority, or exploiting the knowledge of their own experienced staff, but lives very very well on the proceeds. The other operates in the overseas property markets, and again, simply does what his customers could do themselves, charging an enormous amount of fees for doing it.
This government seems to be totally incapable of achieving anything without the assistance of an army of exceedingly expensive consultants, leaving the question of who's actually governing who.
Again HP Sauce I apologise.
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Apology accepted; it was very gracious, thank you.  Smiley
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I really should be more specific in my posts  Embarrassed
I fully understand the work done by the Lifeboat Service (HQ is just down the road from me) but I intended to point out the comparison of the two news stories where the BBC were indicating that a reduction in speed from 24 knots to 20 knots would result in a higher specific fuel consumption (litres per nautical mile) whereas Sky got it right - a big saving.
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I did notice but it was late and thought that I must have been tired, started working it out in Litres per journey and came up with  nonsense.
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Ever since I was a kid I've had the greatest respect for the lifeboatmen.  I grew up in Yorkshire and often visited the lifeboat station at Flamborough.  The people manning the boat were local fisherman and others working around the village.  I always remember how quickly a crew gathered once the flares had gone up, at any time of day and night. The local coastguards were also volunteers.
I agree with everything Shutter has said earlier.  If you ever see a RNLI collection give a donation.