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ConDem mucking around with English tradition

pierre_pierre
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ConDem mucking around with English tradition

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/mayday.htm
Although summer does not officially begin until June, May Day marks its beginning. May Day celebrations have been carried out in England for over 2000 years.
The Romans celebrated the festival of Flora, goddess of fruit and flowers, which marked the beginning of summer. It was held annually from April 28th to May 3rd.
this is the ConDem thoughts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12372625

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Midnight_Caller
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There are too many bank holidays, but keep May Day.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7673644/May-Day-bank-holiday-a-brief-history.html
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May Day may have its roots in ancient pagan rites of spring, but its place in the calendar as a bank holiday is fairly modern.
It is the most recent of the eight bank holidays to be set in stone, following the first ones set down in legislation in 1871.
It was introduced by the then employment secretary Michael Foot in 1978, just before he went on to lead the Labour Party.
At the time many opposed the move saying a May Day holiday was essentially a communist idea because most countries behind the Iron Curtain used May 1 to celebrate International Workers' Day.
The BBC at the time described the inaugural May Day as a "dismal washout" after most of the country suffered from downpours. A debate in the House of Lords, just a week later, saw Lord Wallace, a Labour whip, defend the bank holiday with a quip that could have been used equally today.
He said: "The Government are not ashamed of their political reasons.The only thing that marred May Day this year was the rain; and the Government, even with the support of the Liberal Party, are unable to control the elements."
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If they want to have a bank holiday in October, then put the August bank holiday back where it should be. The first Monday in August.
Yes Jim, it's because of it's Communist connections that they want to do away with it.
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There are too many bank holidays, but keep May Day.

On the contrary, I think for workers there should be more! Think about it... overtime rates, time off in lieu etc..
Would you REALLY want to give that up? - If anything there should be more!
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If anything there should be less. Bank Holidays are a high cost to business who pay for public holidays.
Would you be so keen on more public holidays if you were to take them without pay i.e. you pay for them.
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As stated above, from a workers POV yes. I never said anything about being the person running the business as their argument will always be about the cost despite driving a £50k merc, playing golf, eating out every other night, getting big bonuses..  Roll eyes
It got me recently how the bankers were defending their big bonuses saying they needed them to ensure they have the best people in the business... Is that what they call those who crash our economy these days? - The best?  Wink  Cheesy  Grin
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On the contrary, I think for workers there should be more! Think about it... overtime rates, time off in lieu etc..

Quote from: Oddball
If anything there should be less. Bank Holidays are a high cost to business who pay for public holidays.
Would you be so keen on more public holidays if you were to take them without pay i.e. you pay for them.

Sorry but you are both wrong. There is no legal requirement  on businesses to pay extra for working on a bank holiday or for allowing workers to take the time off. I say this as one of the 2 million workers that do not get paid automatically as a right for taking time off for a Bank Holiday and will not get paid any extra for working it either. The legal minimum holiday entitlement is 28 paid days. The majority of companies will word the employment contract as 20 days plus public holidays. Giving a total of 28 days. If your contract is worded this way then you will benefit with the extra public holiday for the Royal wedding. But if its worded as my contract as 28 days then any public holiday has to come from these 28 days including an extra like the Royal Wedding.
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Fair enough. Added the comment in bold.
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If anything there should be less. Bank Holidays are a high cost to business who pay for public holidays for most people
Would you be so keen on more public holidays if you were to take them without pay i.e. you pay for them.

Our terms & conditions states annual leave (based on service) plus 8 public holidays.So our employees won't get paid for the Royal Wedding Day off.
Which is interesting because some have booked leave over the two week to connect the Easter weekend  to the other two holidays. Do you think I should let them know that they won't get paid for Friday 29 April?
Personally, on the 29th of April I will be driving to the golf course in my expensive German car for a quick round and then treat my pals to dinner, as I get my bonus in April.  Cheesy
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last years EU list, guess whoes got the least
PUBLIC HOLIDAYS IN 2010
(2010/C 9/12)
Belgique/België 1.1, 5.4, 1.5, 13.5, 14.5, 24.5, 21.7, 15.8, 1.11, 2.11, 11.11, 12.11, 15.11, 25.12, 26.12,
27.12, 28.12, 29.12, 30.12, 31.12
България 1.1, 3.3, 4.4, 5.4, 1.5, 6.5, 24.5, 6.9, 22.9, 1.11, 24.12, 25.12, 26.12
Česká republika 1.1, 5.4, 1.5, 8.5, 5.7, 6.7, 28.9, 28.10, 17.11, 24.12, 25.12, 26.12
Danmark 1.1, 1.4, 2.4, 4.4, 5.4, 30.4, 13.5, 23.5, 24.5, 5.6, 24.12, 25.12, 26.12, 31.12
Deutschland 1.1, 2.4, 5.4, 1.5, 13.5, 24.5, 3.10, 24.12, 25.12, 26.12, 31.12
Eesti 1.1, 24.2, 10.4, 1.5, 23.6, 24.6, 20.8, 24.12, 25.12, 26.12
Éire/Ireland 1.1, 1.4, 2.4, 5.4, 13.5, 14.5, 24.5, 21.7, 1.11, 27.12, 28.12, 29.12
Ελλάδα 1.1, 6.1, 15.2, 25.3, 2.4, 5.4, 1.5, 24.5, 15.8, 28.10, 25.12, 26.12
España 1.1, 6.1, 19.3, 1.4, 2.4, 1.5, 3.6, 12.6, 12.10, 1.11, 6.12, 8.12, 25.12
France 1.1, 5.4, 1.5, 8.5, 13.5, 24.5, 14.7, 15.8, 1.11, 11.11, 25.12
Italia 1.1, 6.1, 2.4, 5.4, 1.5, 13.5, 24.5, 21.7, 15.8, 1.11, 25.12, 26.12
Κύπρος/Kibris 1.1, 6.1, 25.3, 1.4, 2.4, 5.4, 13.5, 14.5, 24.5, 21.7, 1.10, 24.12, 27.12, 31.12
Latvija 1.1, 2.4, 4.4, 5.4, 1.5, 4.5, 9.5, 23.5, 23.6, 24.6, 18.11, 24.12, 25.12, 26.12, 31.12
Lietuva 1.1, 16.2, 11.3, 5.4, 1.5, 24.6, 6.7, 15.8, 1.11, 25.12, 26.12
Luxembourg 1.1, 5.4, 1.5, 13.5, 24.5, 23.6, 15.8, 1.11, 25.12, 26.12
Magyarország 1.1, 15.3, 5.4, 1.5, 24.5, 20.8, 23.10, 1.11, 25.12
Malta 1.1, 10.2, 19.3, 31.3, 2.4, 1.5, 7.6, 29.6, 15.8, 8.9, 21.9, 8.12, 13.12, 25.12
Nederland 1.1, 5.4, 5.5, 13.5, 24.5, 25.12, 26.12
Österreich 1.1, 6.1, 5.4, 1.5, 13.5, 24.5, 3.6, 15.8, 26.10, 1.11, 8.12, 25.12, 26.12
Polska 1.1, 4.4, 5.4, 1.5, 3.5, 23.5, 3.6, 15.8, 1.11, 11.11, 25.12, 26.12
Portugal 1.1, 2.4, 4.4, 25.4, 1.5, 3.6, 10.6, 15.8, 5.10, 1.11, 1.12, 8.12, 26.12
România 1.1, 2.1, 4.4, 5.4, 1.5, 23.5, 24.5, 7.8, 1.12, 25.12, 26.12
Slovenija 1.1, 2.1, 8.2, 4.4, 5.4, 27.4, 1.5, 2.5, 23.5, 25.6, 15.8, 31.10, 1.11, 25.12, 26.12
Slovensko 1.1, 6.1, 2.4, 5.4, 1.5, 8.5, 5.7, 29.8, 1.9, 15.9, 1.11, 17.11, 24.12, 25.12, 26.12
Suomi/Finland 1.1, 6.1, 2.4, 4.4, 5.4, 1.5, 13.5, 26.6, 6.11, 6.12, 25.12, 26.12
Sverige 1.1, 6.1, 2.4, 4.4, 5.4, 1.5, 13.5, 23.5, 6.6, 26.6, 6.11, 25.12, 26.12
United Kingdom Wales and England: 1.1, 2.4, 5.4, 3.5, 31.5, 30.8, 27.12, 28.12
Northern Ireland: 1.1, 17.3, 2.4, 5.4, 3.5, 31.5, 12.7, 30.8, 27.12, 28.12
Scotland: 1.1, 4.1, 2.4, 3.5, 31.5, 2.8, 30.11, 27.12, 28.12
EN  15.1.2010 Official Journal of the European Union C 9/31
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only 7 and I thought the UK was short changed on Public Holidays.
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last years EU list, guess whoes got the least

That list doesn't tell the whole story though pierre_pierre. Most European countries don't follow the UK and Irish practice of relocating a public holiday to Monday/Tuesday if it falls on Saturday/Sunday. So there are always a few holidays (like Easter) that don't translate into a day off work for the many Europeans who don't work at weekends.
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Looking a bit further afield, I recall it was always a bit of a pain doing business in Sri Lanka. They seem to to have a couple public holidays most months, and they occur on different days every year.
The suggestion of calling it UK Day seems a bit of a naff name for a holiday. What's wrong with calling it National Day like losts of other countries do. As devolution is moving Britain to a partially federated model of government, perhaps we should adopt the German name which translates to National Unity Day. That sounds much more purposeful and perhaps helps to address a point mentioned by commentators elsewhere that Scotland already has its own national day so why would it need another.